Login   Register     FAQ    Members

View unanswered posts   View active topics


Board index .:|:. Raiding the Library :: Fiction .:|:. Joey's Trunk
It is currently 25 Apr 2017, 05:55



Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 9 posts ] 
Author Message
 Post subject: The Mensches
PostPosted: 26 Nov 2015, 22:51 
Offline
Being a disappointment to Miss Annersley
Being a disappointment to Miss Annersley
User avatar

Joined: 17 Nov 2005, 21:21
Posts: 577
Location: On the sofa
Just a quick question - does anybody know what Herr and Frau Mensch's first names were? I know Joey calls him "Onkel Riesen", but can't find what she is. I am thinking Gretchen, but could well be wrong. Anybody know?


Top | End
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: The Mensches
PostPosted: 26 Nov 2015, 23:10 
Offline
End of term hi-jinks
End of term hi-jinks
User avatar

Joined: 01 Jul 2006, 15:44
Posts: 388
Location: North Lanarkshire, Scotland
Pretty sure Frau Mensch is Gretchen. I can't remember which book it's in, but Jo at one point refers to 'Onkle Riese and Tante Gretchen'. Also Gretchen von Ahlen is named after her granny (and Madge). Don't think Herr Mensch's real name is ever mentioned though. Maybe one of Bernhilda or Frieda's sons had his name, and it was just never mentioned? They seem quite partial in CS Land to naming children after relatives and friends. And Jo, of course. :wink:

_________________
'Sometimes... I wish someone would come along and just give me a big, long hug.' - Kel'Thuzad


Top | End
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: The Mensches
PostPosted: 26 Nov 2015, 23:11 
Offline
Swept off by Matey to pack
Swept off by Matey to pack
User avatar

Joined: 13 Nov 2005, 11:17
Posts: 1112
Location: Cumbria
She is Gretchen. This is from Eustacia:

‘You have Frieda still,’ said Madge to him, later. ‘You will have her for some years yet, Onkel Reise. And Gottfried and Gisela are not far distant. And think of the pleasure you and dear Tante Gretchen will have in going to visit Bernhilda in Lyons.’


Top | End
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: The Mensches
PostPosted: 26 Nov 2015, 23:12 
Offline
Rescuing a Junior from the lake
Rescuing a Junior from the lake
User avatar

Joined: 15 Oct 2004, 13:57
Posts: 7746
Location: Manchester
She's definitely Gretchen: Joey calls her "Tante Gretchen" in one of the mid Tyrol books.

I don't think we're ever told what his proper first name was. I guessed at Stefan for a drabble once, because that was the name given to his first grandson and CS people are very into family names (although it could just as easily have been a von Eschenau name), but we're never actually told.


ETA - is it me, or is it a bit weird that Madge calls the senior Mensches "Tante" and "Onkel"? She also refers to Herr Marani as "Onkel Florian" in Exile. Joey calling them "Tante" and "Onkel" is reasonable enough, but it seems a bit strange that Madge, who was 24 when she met them, did the same :roll: .

_________________
We really must stop eating like this ...

Minds are like parachutes - they only function when open.

http://setinthepast.wordpress.com/




Top | End
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: The Mensches
PostPosted: 26 Nov 2015, 23:17 
Offline
End of term hi-jinks
End of term hi-jinks
User avatar

Joined: 01 Jul 2006, 15:44
Posts: 388
Location: North Lanarkshire, Scotland
I was just going to post the same thing, Alison. And why on earth would Madge call Herr Mensch Onkel Riese? Surely she would have used his real name, rather than a silly affectionate nickname given to him by the children?

_________________
'Sometimes... I wish someone would come along and just give me a big, long hug.' - Kel'Thuzad


Top | End
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: The Mensches
PostPosted: 27 Nov 2015, 00:42 
Offline
Lamenting the amount of work
Lamenting the amount of work
User avatar

Joined: 13 Aug 2009, 18:41
Posts: 2923
Location: Czech Republic and Herts UK
It's in fact extremely unlikely that she would, in real life, have called them anything other than Herr und Frau Mensch/Marani even if they were calling her by her first name. Which is almost as unlikely although I know that Frau Mensch does suggest being less formal whilst the Bettanys are staying with them at Christmas.

Austrians and Germans of that generation (and even far later, almost to the present day) were formal in the extreme. If the man had a profession, engineer perhaps, or doctor, he would be addressed as Herr Doktor Sowiewas (so and so) and by virtue of marriage to him, his wife would be Frau Doktor Sowiewas.

EBD got this one very wrong indeed...

_________________
Cestina's dolls houses - 'O brave new world, That has such people in't...'


Top | End
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: The Mensches
PostPosted: 27 Nov 2015, 01:13 
Offline
Sub-prefect!
Sub-prefect!
User avatar

Joined: 21 Jul 2012, 16:53
Posts: 3033
Location: West London Alps
Alison H wrote:
She's definitely Gretchen: Joey calls her "Tante Gretchen" in one of the mid Tyrol books.

I don't think we're ever told what his proper first name was. I guessed at Stefan for a drabble once, because that was the name given to his first grandson and CS people are very into family names (although it could just as easily have been a von Eschenau name), but we're never actually told.
I have a note that we're told in New House that Bernhilda & Kurt's son Stefan is named after him - sorry, haven't got time to check ATM.


Top | End
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: The Mensches
PostPosted: 27 Nov 2015, 09:01 
Offline
Learning to stand on your own two feet
Learning to stand on your own two feet

Joined: 30 Jan 2004, 00:07
Posts: 670
Location: Taiwan
Yes, in New House it says

Quote:
Bernhilda has named him after his two grandpapas, so he is Stefan Kurt


So, Stefan Mensch and Kurt von Escheneau.

_________________


Ring the bells that still can ring; Forget your perfect offering
There is a crack in everything; That's how the light gets in
Anthem: Leonard Cohen



Top | End
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: The Mensches
PostPosted: 27 Nov 2015, 22:14 
Offline
Being a disappointment to Miss Annersley
Being a disappointment to Miss Annersley
User avatar

Joined: 17 Nov 2005, 21:21
Posts: 577
Location: On the sofa
Thanks, everyone! I thought she was Gretchen, but couldn't find the reference.


Top | End
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 9 posts ] 

Board index .:|:. Raiding the Library :: Fiction .:|:. Joey's Trunk
It is currently 25 Apr 2017, 05:55

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 2 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum

Jump to:  
cron
Powered by phpBB © 2000, 2002, 2005, 2007 phpBB Group