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 Post subject: Pretty Maids (second query!)
PostPosted: 12 Apr 2017, 21:28 
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Please would someone remind me where we're told that Pretty Maids is being taken over by the National Trust and or used by the government? Thank you :D .

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 Post subject: Re: Pretty Maids
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I think it's in Rescue. Joey gets a letter about it from Jack and says Lydia doesn't want to live there and neither she nor the girls thrive there. And given they're not going to live there, they plan on donating it to the National Trust.

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 Post subject: Re: Pretty Maids
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Thanks :D .

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 Post subject: Re: Pretty Maids
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This is from Changes:

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“Jack’s handing it over to the National Trust, lock, stock and barrel – after we’ve rescued the things we either want or ought to keep. We couldn’t afford to keep up three places and the girls and I have never been really well there. It lies in a hollow and it’s too relaxing. We’re taking the old stuff and most of the pictures and so on, and with what’s left, I believe they’re talking of making it into a kind of guesthouse for foreign notables. Plas Gwyn will be our English home in the future.”


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 Post subject: Re: Pretty Maids
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Thanks :D .

I bet the NT were really chuffed that Jack and Joey grabbed all the best stuff and then expected them to pay for the upkeep of what was left :roll: :lol:.

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That would hardly have been unusual.

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Yes, the NT in those days don't seem to have been so bothered about keeping the original contents with the house - I can think of at least one instance where they even sold off some of them.


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 Post subject: Re: Pretty Maids (second query!)
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Was the house requisitioned during the war, or have I imagined that?

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 Post subject: Re: Pretty Maids (second query!)
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I don't think so. This is from Goes to It when Madge and the staff are talking about leaving Guernsey:

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Madge Russell laid down her work. ‘Jem and I discussed it last week,’ she said gravely. ‘We knew that it must come up. He insists that I shall take all our nurseryful to England as soon as possible. In that case, I can scarcely leave the school here. As Hilda says, it’s a case of other people’s children. If ours go, then they must go too. Jack Maynard agrees. He is sending Joey and the Triplets away as soon after Easter as possible—even, it may be, before.’

‘Joey won’t like that,’ said Miss Wilson shrewdly. ‘She loves her pretty home. And where will they go, Madge? Pretty Maids is out of the question now, I imagine.’

‘Oh, quite impossible. If the old folk had been living, it would have been the obvious solution, for you know how they adored her, and she loved them dearly. But now that they are gone, and Mrs Robert and the Major are in possession, it’s out of the question, as you say. None of the Maynards have ever liked poor Lydia, and she is a most uncomfortable person, I admit. She has always resented the fact that, since Rolf’s death. Jack is his brother’s heir; and since the coming of the Triplets, it’s been worse. Bob Maynard wrote a charming letter to Jo, but Lydia has taken no notice whatsoever.’


Also, after Bob's death in Rescue, Joey talks about visiting Pretty Maids to sort things out so it doesn't sound as though the house is being used by anyone else.


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 Post subject: Re: Pretty Maids (second query!)
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Thanks. Must have dreamt it!

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 Post subject: Re: Pretty Maids (second query!)
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Probably way more information than you need, but with Jack's father and brother dying in quick succession, the death duties payable for both sets of inheritances might have made transferring Pretty Maids to the NT the best decision financially.

As an example, the Duke of Devonshire donated Hardwick Hall and its estates to the NT in lieu of death duties.


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 Post subject: Re: Pretty Maids (second query!)
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Yes, that's what I've always said as well (I work in accounts/tax) :lol:. I think the same thing happened with Shugborough, too. I've always reckoned that Joey's "relaxing air" line was just because she didn't like to admit that Jack couldn't pay the IHT!

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 Post subject: Re: Pretty Maids (second query!)
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Yes, that's what I've always said as well (I work in accounts/tax) :lol:. I think the same thing happened with Shugborough, too. I've always reckoned that Joey's "relaxing air" line was just because she didn't like to admit that Jack couldn't pay the IHT!


I actually think there could be some justification for Joey's claim that the air at Pretty Maids was too relaxing for her, especially since she was used to living in colder or more mountainous areas; I seem to recall the Robin also felt the same.

The region of the New Forest where Pretty Maids was situated wasn't so very far from Bournemouth, and I always remember that whenever we, and other members of my extended family, came from Yorkshire to spend holidays in Bournemouth, many of the adults complained that they found the air too relaxing - they much preferred the more bracing atmosphere of the Yorkshire, and to some extent, the Lancashire coasts.


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 Post subject: Re: Pretty Maids (second query!)
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I've just read some more in Rescue where Joey tells her friends that it's unlikely she and Jack will go to Tyrol as Jack had just inherited Pretty Maids and he'd have to give up his current job to live there (i.e. give up being a doctor to manage the estate). In the meantime he was going to ask Lydia if she wanted to continue to live there or in London and a Mr Tingle would continue to manage the estate. It sounds like donating the estate to the NT would allow Jack to continue being a doctor and work at the San and that probably a contributing reason for doing it

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 Post subject: Re: Pretty Maids (second query!)
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That sounds like a much better reason than Joey not liking the air! But it's interesting that Jack didn't feel duty-bound to take over the family estate.

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 Post subject: Re: Pretty Maids (second query!)
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It's interesting, though, that Joey talks about giving up Pretty Maids in Jo to the Rescue, but they don't actually hand it over to the National Trust until just before they move to Switzerland, 7 years later. So they must have paid the death duties and administered the property until then, including during the year in Canada.

The reasons Joey gives then are the air (again), and that they can't afford to maintain three homes - they're keeping Plas Gwyn at that point, but sell that a few years later when they buy the vacation home in Austria.

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 Post subject: Re: Pretty Maids (second query!)
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I'm sure EBD had her reasons, but I really don't get why any of those storylines had to happen. Why not just leave Bob, Lydia and Rolf alive and well, running Pretty Maids, with the occasional mention here and there (or just ignored, as Mollie is from when she leaves until Reunion, and as Madge and Joey's aunties are), and leave Jack to get on with his own life as a second son who's entered a profession?

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 Post subject: Re: Pretty Maids (second query!)
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No I don't really get the storyline either. I suppose EBD wanted to point up the contrast between Jack's happy family life and the failed one of Bob's. But quite why she had it in for them is a mystery.

As far as the air being a reason for disposing of Pretty Maids, it seems quite sensible to me. If you constantly feel under the weather when staying in a certain place, why would you want to keep it and try to live there?

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