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PostPosted: 01 Jun 2011, 19:15 
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2. Notifications on the SDL have been enabled. As JB pointed, people can also use the RSS feed or, and I know it'll be a terrible burden, they can bookmark the [url="http://sallydennylibrary.co.uk/browse.php?type=recent]recent updates[/url] page on the SDL.


I've occasionally wanted comments as I've been struggling with the next part - as have many others - it's not ALL about gratification you know! If you're not sure which way to go sometimes a comment will give you an idea

I did say that I didn't know what RSS was - your reply states to use but doesn't answer the question and I doubt I'm the only one who doesn't know, just the only one shameless enough to admit it! If you follow several stories then that extra email (I often check mine every three or four days rather than daily so get a lot in one go!) will just get annoying!

More constructively could I just point out that the black writing on blue background for story titles isn't particularly easy to read even with my 20/20 vision - is there any way of making the colours a little more friendly to the eye?

You're not the only one shameless enough to admit it. I too have little idea how an RSS feed works though I did enable one for another website once. I was none the wiser after doing so.

Nor am I sure what a widget is or how it works or what the sentence "notifications have been enabled" means. So I don't know why I should rejoice about it.

I actually don't regard myself as a complete Luddite, having mastered many aspects of New Technology since reaching pension age but I can get very fed up with people hurling terms around as if we should all know exactly what they mean.

There are rules about using foreign languages on the CBB without explaining oneself...... :wink:

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 Post subject: Re: Moving all the fic off the CBB
PostPosted: 01 Jun 2011, 19:16 
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An RSS feed is used to read blogs or other sites that update regularly. In IE it shows up on the Feed tab of your Favourites. Once you've subscribed, your computer checks the Feed periodically and shows an updatedFfeed in bold text. So, when you're looking at the list, you know you only have to look at those entries which have changed to bold.

Any site which you can read in this format will have a button which asks you to subscribe. Once you've done that, it'll appear on the Feed tab.

It is linked to a computer though, Claire. Or you could set it up on several.

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Hope this explains things. I'm happy to answer other questions on this too if anyone is finding it difficult.


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 Post subject: Re: Moving all the fic off the CBB
PostPosted: 01 Jun 2011, 19:20 
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Thanks for the explanation JB - sadly that sounds like one of the things people have moaned about not being able to have at work so of no use to me. Mind you, at least I know what they're talking about now so I've learned something from all this :wink: :roll:


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 Post subject: Re: Moving all the fic off the CBB
PostPosted: 01 Jun 2011, 19:23 
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It is linked to a computer though, Claire. Or you could set it up on several.


Or you could use something like Google reader as your feed aggregator, about which you can read more here:

http://www.google.com/support/reader/bi ... wer=113517

Then it's not tied to any computer. I use it to follow an inordinate number of blogs that I'd otherwise not stand a chance of remembering to read.


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 Post subject: Re: Moving all the fic off the CBB
PostPosted: 01 Jun 2011, 19:25 
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That's a really good link Jayj - there's a clear explanation there for anyone who needs one.


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 Post subject: Re: Moving all the fic off the CBB
PostPosted: 01 Jun 2011, 19:46 
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I have to say that, aside from any technical issues, which I'm sure can be ironed out or worked around, I don't see why both the CBB and the Sally Denny Library shouldn't both thrive. They'll each be serving quite different purposes, and those who want one or the other needn't frequent the other one, while those who want both can surely manage to visit two sites instead of one? I know there isn't the same conversational feel about drabble posting, but people can still comment, and the writer can respond to the comments. I'd always been under the impression that drabbles were supposed to be fairly yibble-free anyway, and there will still be plenty of places in the CBB - in fact, the entire board, where discussions of varying degrees of formality can take place.

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 Post subject: Re: Moving all the fic off the CBB
PostPosted: 01 Jun 2011, 19:59 
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Abi - I think they'll both thrive too but will miss the conversational form of drabbles. If you read the archives (as I had to joining the CBB many years after it started!) there are many drabbles that have more yibble than story so think they've always had a lot of that side to them!

Mind you, at least it will remove that form of bullying via chants etc that I detest! If the reason you haven't updated is because RL is not going well the last thing you need is a reminder that you're failing in another area as well :roll:

I tend to just glance through COT etc when I've caught up on drabbles so will miss that as it won't be enough of a reason for me to go to the CBB but am sure you guys will still have lots of fun on it :)


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 Post subject: Re: Moving all the fic off the CBB
PostPosted: 01 Jun 2011, 20:10 
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One thing we might do more of after the move would be to use the Recommendations area to highlight favorite drabbles in Sally Denny, the archives, etc. (Sorry, I can't bring myself to say "fic." It's too much like abhorrent txtspk. *makes horns, EBD fashion*)

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PostPosted: 01 Jun 2011, 20:14 
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Liss wrote:
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6. Maybe, for some reason, that decision gets reversed a few years down the line.
7. People find out about this.
8. OMG MASS PANIC. The board will never survive! Things will never be the same! Sweet Esmerelda, how will anyone cope?!

I.


You are right
Wasn't the SDL (or something with that name) there even before CBB???

I remember that I got quite upset all those years ago when there stopped being new stories posted to SDL :D :) (and it took me time to find the board as it was at that time.)

In my opinion there are some drabbles right now which have got carried away with the yibble with very little drabble left.

As long as there is a place left to tell the writer how much we are enjoying what they write, it sounds OK to me

I think as you say, most people resist change....

But I think we should say thanks for doing a good job and worrying about how it all works!

I have seen this set of fan fic move through all sorts of phases as the years have gone by, and each time I had to get used to something else, and in the end the stories were still there.

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 Post subject: Re: Moving all the fic off the CBB
PostPosted: 01 Jun 2011, 20:20 
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Kathy_S wrote:
One thing we might do more of after the move would be to use the Recommendations area to highlight favorite drabbles in Sally Denny, the archives, etc. (Sorry, I can't bring myself to say "fic." It's too much like abhorrent txtspk. *makes horns, EBD fashion*)

Ooh, that's a jolly good idea!

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 Post subject: Re: Moving all the fic off the CBB
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Or maybe have a separate fic recs forum. Even in its current form there is so much fic that it's hard to know where to start. Discussion of fic minus the actual fic itself would be really useful.

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 Post subject: Re: Moving all the fic off the CBB
PostPosted: 01 Jun 2011, 21:42 
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Mmm, fic recs and "can you help me I'm looking for a fic where Jack got turned into a frog" kind of things... I like it...

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 Post subject: Re: Moving all the fic off the CBB
PostPosted: 01 Jun 2011, 21:42 
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To be fair, I thought that things were ok as they are on the cbb. To change things now when things do actually work well as a rule? I think it's a case of many of us do not like change, but in this case, removing drabbles from the board? I am not sure it is a good idea, they are a part of the CBB as much as anything else is here, and alot of people get pleasure from them - will we be able to have a link to the new places for the drabbles? I am currently writing one, have it saved on my hard drive, but it does seem a shame that we will have to go else where to post them as without the cbb some drabbles may never have exsisted.Apologies if I have got this wrong! :)

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 Post subject: Re: Moving all the fic off the CBB
PostPosted: 01 Jun 2011, 21:44 
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I just wanted to say that there has possibly been a lot of yibble changing the definition and style of some of the Drabbles, and I have apologized for that, being a bad culprit BUT one thing that maybe needs clarification is that fiction, creativity and interaction are not always defined the same way by all people. Coming to the CBB from Facebook and longstanding email chat/ discussion groups, perhaps I've got the wrong idea and upset people by what has been a few drabbles getting very social and interactive. It does get in the way of the story sometimes, but often it also creates more ideas, ways of moving a story forward and builds the social side, a little like "jamming" for musicians can create better music sometimes, while other times it causes a discordant mess.

Neither type of fiction or conversation is better than any other. But this board is a difficult place to know what is allowed and what is not. I spent the first little while incredibly stressed about any PM I saw being "told off" by a mod, although in fact all mods have been very nice about things when they need to point something out. But from the outside trying to join in, a lot of new social media forms of creativity are now interactive. I was under the impression that the stories were here for the author to enjoy writing and for us all to compare our own views of how a character mught develop further. Not necessarily always great literature, not always on topics everyone finds comfortable, but a forum for debate and exchange of ideas. For some authors and readers it is fun and productive sending ideas through jokes and also expressing thanks by "wibbling" and mock fighting about the way the characters go. For others it is not.

Having been a mod elsewhere, although with a different system, the amount of work your mods must put in on the current CBB must be huge. On the SDL some of the archiving, organizing and moderating looks like it will be much more automatic. The reviews should still allow yibble, just in a form that doesn't upset people if they want to just read the story. And as a very guilty yibbler, I would feel better being able to banter and 'jam' with other like minded drabblers without looking over my shoulder wondering if people who more used to a particular form of fiction and social media interaction are about to get snotty or PM a mod behind my back rather than talk to me directly about it. I may be wrong, but I think people can review in much the same way as they do at present, just not imbetween the updates.

What Liss is doing is likely to give the CBB and SDL a better chance of surviving in a fast changing Internet and social world. From experience, you only need to lose a few mods or get too few new members, and you stagnate. This is sad to me to lose the current CBB in some aspects, but the system as it was was also difficult to accommodate both interactive drabblers and commenters and those who just want the story.

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 Post subject: Re: Moving all the fic off the CBB
PostPosted: 01 Jun 2011, 21:57 
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Liss - thanks for changing the titles to white on blue - far easier to read now!


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 Post subject: Re: Moving all the fic off the CBB
PostPosted: 01 Jun 2011, 22:32 
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Someone might have already pointed this out, in which case apologies :) but the links from here to the SDL don't seem to work if you're logged in to the board.


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 Post subject: Re: Moving all the fic off the CBB
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Really? They work OK for me. Will investigate, cheers.

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 Post subject: Re: Moving all the fic off the CBB
PostPosted: 01 Jun 2011, 23:24 
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They don't work for me either - it says I don't have access to that part of the board. I think only you with your admin rights can get them to work maybe?

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 Post subject: Re: Moving all the fic off the CBB
PostPosted: 01 Jun 2011, 23:34 
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Same thing for me - although, like jayj, for some reason they work for me if I log out.

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