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 Post subject: Re: Pedants of the World (or the CBB) unite!
PostPosted: 18 Jun 2017, 22:13 
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My old school now has students and alumnae. In my day, it was pupils and Old Girls!

At least the recent fad for referring to students as 'learners' seems to have passed. Teachers, tutors and lecturers unfortunately still have to put up with being 'educators'.


Oh, no it hasn't. Every piece of official paperwork we have must refer to 'Learners', and we have to have 'Learner Protection Insurance' as well. We still say 'students' outside the paperwork, though. (The coursebooks have the difference between 'learning' and 'studying' stated as a vocabulary point - lost on the authorities, evidently!)


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PostPosted: 19 Jun 2017, 12:20 
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I was in Dunelm Mill on Saturday buying a birthday present. Discovered that the whole section of yarn, sewing equipment, paints etc has been put in the 'Habby' department.

Unsure if this is a mis-spelling of Hobby or a really naff abbreviation of Haberdashery. Either way it made me twitch with annoyance.


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PostPosted: 19 Jun 2017, 15:38 
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Yowzer, I've not seen that before! I can't quite decide whether to laugh hysterically or head to my nearest Dunelm with a can of paint!

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PostPosted: 19 Jun 2017, 15:42 
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AilidhNoor wrote:
Unsure if this is a mis-spelling of Hobby or a really naff abbreviation of Haberdashery. Either way it made me twitch with annoyance.


Surely it would have to be deliberate - the staff couldn't be so stupid that they would allow a mistake like that to persist?


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PostPosted: 19 Jun 2017, 17:07 
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It is deliberate - I have seen it elsewhere :banghead: I have a feeling that it is what my father would have called "a pathetic attempt to stay with it."

And haberdashery is a lovely word!


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Speaking of names...

There seems to be a desire among some well-meaning women i know that they could "break feminist ground" by naming a future son Elizabeth or Jane.

*no*. Children are not your political experiment and no child should have to explain their parent's politics every time that they introduce themselves.


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PostPosted: 21 Jun 2017, 09:24 
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I don't think anybody should have a name which needs explaining or an apology. My neighbour, a man in his fifties, always has to add "you can blame my mother for that" when he introduces himself. I remember reading in the local paper years ago of a couple who had named their son after a football team. My wife and I decided at the time that this was going to give the lad a hard time. I was not surprised, twenty-odd years later, to find his name occasionally in news reports from the magistrates' court.


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PostPosted: 21 Jun 2017, 10:28 
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I was very impressed that Amal and George Clooney called their twins Ella and Alexander - two really lovely, and really normal, names. Other celebs would do well to learn from their example :lol:. I do feel sorry for celeb offspring who have to go through life being called Apple, Zowie, North West, Moon Unit, Sage Moonblood etc.

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 Post subject: Re: Pedants of the World (or the CBB) unite!
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Unfortunately, giving children odd or even ridiculous names has been around a long time: "Humiliation Hyne/ Hinde, son of Humiliation Hinde" (1630s) and is not illegal in most countries - though I don't like such things as the legislative approach either, as it can easily go too far. I remember some Breton parents in the 1970s being told that the Breton names they'd chosen for their children were not allowed because they were not in the official French lists; the same applied to an acquaintance (born in France in the 1950s) whose parents wanted to call her Solveig and had to settle for using her second name of Marie when registering the birth.

I really don't like the idea of giving a boy an obviously feminine name like Elizabeth or Jane, though - that's just asking for trouble/ embarrassment/ confusion - and for the child to change its name as an adult. If you feel like that about gender, surely better to choose a gender-neutral name.


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 Post subject: Re: Pedants of the World (or the CBB) unite!
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I was just thinking about the names of the Dingle family on Emmerdate (English TV soap for the unitiated). Without thinking too hard, I know there is Chas (Chastity), Zak (Zechariah), Charity, Aaron and Shadrach (now deceased).

Having grown up in Yorkshire, I know that in the past it was quite common for children to be given Biblical names, but some of these characters (eg Aaron) are quite young. And, perhaps more to the point, in the cases of Chastity and Charity at least, they certainly do not live up to their names! :lol: So perhaps it's meant to be ironic.

To make this post more pedant-related, how do others pronounce the name Aaron? The modern trend seems to be a short 'a', which sounds ugly to me. I would always say 'AIR-on'.

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I don't like such things as the legislative approach either, as it can easily go too far.

Here is Germany we have "approved" names (no master list though) but it is up to the particular office where the birth is registered how rigorously this is applied. Unless the name would really burden the child in later life most are allowed. Occasionally parents take the matter to court.
There are rules about unisex names saying that a second sex specific name must be added which makes sense. My son has such a name.

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To make this post more pedant-related, how do others pronounce the name Aaron? The modern trend seems to be a short 'a', which sounds ugly to me. I would always say 'AIR-on'.


I agree with you about "air-on" because at school there was a rhyme which ended "and Aaron had a square on(e)." Can't remember ths beginning, Mose had a ??. . .

However most of the pupils I taught were called your first version except for one who was AY-ron.


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PostPosted: 21 Jun 2017, 14:21 
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It always used to be pronounced Air-on. In my age group, if it was meant to be pronounced to rhyme with baron then it was spelt Arron, not Aaron. But Aaron now seems to be pronounced Arron.

"Virtue" names were quite popular for girls in Puritan families in the 17th and 18th centuries (boys got names like Praise the Lord or Praise be to God, which none of the Dingles have got :lol: ... although the little boys are Moses (baby), Noah and Samson, so they're sticking with the Biblical names!). Grace, which is a very pretty name, is back in fashion now. Patience, Hope, Prudence and to some extent Charity became quite mainstream, but I'm not sure anyone would have enjoyed being called Chastity, Silence or Temperance, and I think I once saw Perseverance mentioned. Is there a Temperance in a GO book, or have I imagined that?

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PostPosted: 21 Jun 2017, 15:35 
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And the Lord said unto Moses
Your people shall have round noses
Except unto Aaron,
He shall have a square 'un,
Except unto John,
He shall have none...........

I can't remember any more of it, it's been decades since I heard it, or even thought about it.

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PostPosted: 21 Jun 2017, 17:31 
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Alison H wrote:
Is there a Temperance in a GO book, or have I imagined that?


Kathy Reichs has a character called Temperance Brennan in her books, though they are definitely not GO.


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In the La Rochelle books there's someone called Fidelity, but can't think of a Temperance.


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I expect that among modern versions of those names would be Diversity amd Transparency.


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Anyone thinking of giving a boy a girl's name should listen to Johnny Cash, singing
'A Boy named Sue'.


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Supersal wrote:
Anyone thinking of giving a boy a girl's name should listen to Johnny Cash, singing
'A Boy named Sue'.
:D :D

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I used to teach a little boy called Thy-will. Which sounded particularly odd when giving him an order: "Thy-will, sit down!"

I also taught the following children: Success, Wonderful, Precious, Gift, Happy, Bright, Divine-Favour, and Victory.

Some of them lived up to their names.

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I used to work with a girl called Serenity. It didn't really suit her :lol: .

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