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 Post subject: Re: Public Service Announcements Part Four
PostPosted: 22 Apr 2017, 17:07 
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My gripe on this simply relates to men not having to define their status on any form. They are all Mr. People can read all sorts of implications into the female choice.

If we were all Mrs, or Miss or Ms or whatever I wouldn't object and in countries where everyone over 18 is Mrs, that's fine by me.

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PostPosted: 23 Apr 2017, 10:51 
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And why do we need to enter a title on a form anyway? I would have thought they were pretty irrelevant. Does it matter to the person reading the form or acting in it, that we are Mr or Ms or Mrs or whatever.

A work colleague has taken to choosing Prof whenever its an option. Needless to say, she isn't a professor :D


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PostPosted: 23 Apr 2017, 11:17 
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Yikes...

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If it stays long enough she'll probably call it something stunningly originally like Prickles or Spike :lol:


We had a pea-hen in our front drive once. She stayed forever, and I named her Priscilla, after a character in my novel. Dad put some photos of her into our yearbook.

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 Post subject: Re: Public Service Announcements Part Four
PostPosted: 24 Apr 2017, 00:17 
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The whole title thing bugs me. The term Master is rarely used now for young boys but it was deregatory that when it was boys changed to Mr about the age of 14 but women did not change from Miss ever unless they married.

I know some people like their title but should the current multiple choice of women's titles not be getting phased out so women will have only one possible title eventually.


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 Post subject: Re: Public Service Announcements Part Four
PostPosted: 24 Apr 2017, 07:38 
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It's happened in a lot of countries. Mademoiselle is now only used for children and very young women, and I gather that Fraulein's now seen as being quite offensive.

All women were called Mrs in the 17th century and early 18th century.

Apart from the fact that it has some rather unfortunate connotations (but so does madam, and that gets used, I quite like Mistress, of which Miss and Mrs are both abbreviations. It sounds much grander and more important than either Miss or Mrs :lol:. And it's no longer than saying Mister.

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 Post subject: Re: Public Service Announcements Part Four
PostPosted: 24 Apr 2017, 10:03 
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I tick other whenever possible.

That wouldn't really have helped me, Lizco, as they wanted my title so they could send information. :D

But I do really object to being Ms. And there was no facility to be a Miss. Do Misses not rent apartments? :roll:


I rent a Housing Association bungalow, and as stated in a previous post, I am most definitely and unashamedly a 'Miss'. No doubt there are plenty of Misses who rent apartments too. :D

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But I do really object to being Ms. And there was no facility to be a Miss. Do Misses not rent apartments?


Maybe they need permission from their father or brother or some random bloke that they pick up off the street.


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 Post subject: Re: Public Service Announcements Part Four
PostPosted: 24 Apr 2017, 12:59 
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But I do really object to being Ms. And there was no facility to be a Miss. Do Misses not rent apartments?


Maybe they need permission from their father or brother or some random bloke that they pick up off the street.


I still remember the embarrassment of having to get my father to 'guarantee' my mortgage in 1974 ... I was earning way more than him, but the Building Society didn't see it that way...

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But I do really object to being Ms. And there was no facility to be a Miss. Do Misses not rent apartments?


Maybe they need permission from their father or brother or some random bloke that they pick up off the street.


I still remember the embarrassment of having to get my father to 'guarantee' my mortgage in 1974 ... I was earning way more than him, but the Building Society didn't see it that way...


Wow! I hope it's not still like that!

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 Post subject: Re: Public Service Announcements Part Four
PostPosted: 25 Apr 2017, 10:35 
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But I do really object to being Ms. And there was no facility to be a Miss. Do Misses not rent apartments?


Maybe they need permission from their father or brother or some random bloke that they pick up off the street.


I still remember the embarrassment of having to get my father to 'guarantee' my mortgage in 1974 ... I was earning way more than him, but the Building Society didn't see it that way...


Wow! I hope it's not still like that!

Not at the moment. But with the way the world is presently going, who knows?

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 Post subject: Re: Public Service Announcements Part Four
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Abbeybufo was talking about something that happened 43 years ago. The world has moved on a lot since then.

Separate taxation for married women has only come about within the last 30 years. I sometimes think (as you do, when you're worrying about fictional people's tax affairs) how annoying it must have been for Madge to have had her income from the school taxed as part of her husband's income - when he was presumably earning whopping great amounts and being taxed at the highest rate. Ditto Joey's income from her books. But times have changed :D .

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 Post subject: Re: Public Service Announcements Part Four
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Although as cestina says, with the way the world is presently going... *shudder*

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 Post subject: Re: Public Service Announcements Part Four
PostPosted: 25 Apr 2017, 15:26 
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Alison H wrote:
Separate taxation for married women has only come about within the last 30 years. I sometimes think (as you do, when you're worrying about fictional people's tax affairs) how annoying it must have been for Madge to have had her income from the school taxed as part of her husband's income - when he was presumably earning whopping great amounts and being taxed at the highest rate. Ditto Joey's income from her books. But times have changed :D .
It's odd, actually: whatever the law may say about separate taxation for married women only coming in in 1990, I think that was more a question of legal responsibility for paying and who got or could have the allowances/ reliefs. I've always paid my own tax, and been assessed separately, and have been married since 1979. I worked at the local Tax Office when I left Uni (1973), and PAYE (Pay [Tax] as You Earn) was deducted from the earnings of all employees, including married women: I remember that we had to sort out one awkward situation where Mr S had not been deducting anything from his employee's wages because he had wrongly assumed that her husband paid her tax for her. But yes, different for Madge and Jo, of course, as they were not employees - unless Madge was a Director of the limited company that ran the school.


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Maybe that was one reason she converted the school to a limited company. I'm sure Jem would have been getting tax planning advice from an old school pal :D .

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 Post subject: Re: Public Service Announcements Part Four
PostPosted: 25 Apr 2017, 15:30 
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:D I think that's a certainty!


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 Post subject: Re: Public Service Announcements Part Four
PostPosted: 26 Apr 2017, 22:17 
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Noreen wrote:
It's odd, actually: whatever the law may say about separate taxation for married women only coming in in 1990, I think that was more a question of legal responsibility for paying and who got or could have the allowances/ reliefs. I've always paid my own tax, and been assessed separately, and have been married since 1979. I worked at the local Tax Office when I left Uni (1973), and PAYE (Pay [Tax] as You Earn) was deducted from the earnings of all employees, including married women: I remember that we had to sort out one awkward situation where Mr S had not been deducting anything from his employee's wages because he had wrongly assumed that her husband paid her tax for her.


There were separate arrangements for the taxation of Civil Servants. I understood that it was due to the numbers involved.


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Thanks, Victoria, that's intriguing - but my main task when I worked for the Revenue was to liaise with new employers, and the instructions were that PAYE was to be applied to all employees who were earning above a certain amount, with no exceptions (as I had to explain to poor Mr S). Of course, a good many married women either earned money from temporary or seasonal employment, or had income from sources other than employment, and their tax no doubt was assessed with that of their husbands.


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 Post subject: Re: Public Service Announcements Part Four
PostPosted: 27 Apr 2017, 22:17 
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A friend who is now a Rev finds it impossible to choose that on forms where she's also had to tick Female. Computer says impossible, apparently.

I'd agree completely with a blank box where you could just write in your own choice of title. People should be able to use whichever one best represents them.


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