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 Post subject: Re: Pedants of the World (or the CBB) unite!
PostPosted: 08 Aug 2017, 21:06 
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But Beaulieu, in Hampshire, is pronounced Bewley, isn't it?


Yes, it is - I thought that was too well-known to include...

...and of course, where I live, Romsey, has as many disputes as Shrewsbury over the exact sound of the first vowel!

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The one near Hull is pronounced the same way as the one in Westmorland, I think.


Yes, it's close to where I live and is pronounced 'Bruff'.


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PostPosted: 08 Aug 2017, 22:30 
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I think a lot of people had trouble with the idea of Leicester City being Premier League champions! :D[/quote]

Mainly fans of Chelsea, Arsenal, Manchester (city and united), Spurs, Liverpool................!!! :roll:

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I don't think anyone had a problem with Leicester being champions: everyone was delighted for them. But I understand that a lot of reporters abroad were tripping over Ly-kester, Ly-sester and numerous other mispronunciations. And Gloucester's the same.

I vaguely remember being told that Shrewsbury is pronounced Shroos for the town but Shroze for the school, which is even more confusing! And don't even go there with Magdalen College ...

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...and Marlborough is Mahrl for the town and Maul for the school..

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Given all the above (and many more!), it is not surprising that English is considered one of the hardest languages for people to learn! :lol:

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Yes, it's the inconsistencies of pronunciation that are particularly hard, I always think. The best-known horrors are probably the -ough words, but there are plenty more: bone, done, gone; justice, rice, police; meat, great, sweat...


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I'll just leave this here:
http://ncf.idallen.com/english.html

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I'll just leave this here:
http://ncf.idallen.com/english.html

Good grief! I have come across bits of this before but never this comprehensive version.

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cestina wrote:
RubyGates wrote:
I'll just leave this here:
http://ncf.idallen.com/english.html

Good grief! I have come across bits of this before but never this comprehensive version.


Oh goodness, what a day (or rather, evening) brightener!!! I've never seen this before, though like Cestina, I recognise odd bits. I know I've only skimmed it, but I don't think the poet has included the "dough, enough, cough, though" group, has he?

Thanks for sharing, Ruby Gates.


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I'll just leave this here:
http://ncf.idallen.com/english.html


Wow just struggled through that! The length is amazing. Thank RubyGates. I'll think I'll get SLOC to print it off for me English teacher - may take her mind off my execrable french!


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Oh goodness, what a day (or rather, evening) brightener!!! I've never seen this before, though like Cestina, I recognise odd bits. I know I've only skimmed it, but I don't think the poet has included the "dough, enough, cough, though" group, has he?
Try the second one on this site, Elder: here.

The first isn't bad, either, and the third is the same brilliant one RubyGates has already pointed us to.


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Elder in Ontario wrote:
cestina wrote:
RubyGates wrote:
I'll just leave this here:
http://ncf.idallen.com/english.html

Good grief! I have come across bits of this before but never this comprehensive version.


Oh goodness, what a day (or rather, evening) brightener!!! I've never seen this before, though like Cestina, I recognise odd bits. I know I've only skimmed it, but I don't think the poet has included the "dough, enough, cough, though" group, has he?

Thanks for sharing, Ruby Gates.


Dough etc come at the very end, if you get that far!


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My surname is MacLeod, pronounced Mcloud.

Imagine my amazement when a nurse came out of the clinic I was waiting for, calling for Mrs Mackelod.

Yes it was me, but she had to call three times before I realised who she was calling.

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And I think, for ages, Althorp, the Spencer Family Home in Northamptonshire was pronounced "Altrup" and they've only just started pronouncing it "Althorp".

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PostPosted: 14 Aug 2017, 17:24 
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Just found this -

"Last September the BBC, BSkyB and ITN agreed that they should all refer to the estate as Awlthorp on the basis that most people say the word as it is written. But the debate raged on."

Apparently it's what the locals say, though Earl Spencer and family say Alltrup. Really if he says it that way we all should too - it's what the owner of a name says that counts, however odd it seems. I know someone with the name Leila. She says Lie-la, but I knew another person same name who said Lee-la. They are both right, it's their name, their choice, even if one way is more unusual.

Just like the (possibly urban legend) children called Guy - pronouced Goo-ee, and Yvonne - pronounced Why-vonny. Parents chose that pronunciation, it's right for that child, however odd!


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I think that most people who are saddled with a name which is frequently mispronounced alter it fairly early in their adult lives. My own first name was always mispronounced when I travelled outside the area where I grew up so I altered it slightly when I was 19. No problems since then.
I think the ''Alltrup" thing is just plain silly. I like to think that I am fairly broad-minded but "Alltrup" smacks of centuries of inbreeding and cultural isolation. I'm with the broadcasters!


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I'm friendly with a Spanish/Dutch couple who live in my little Bavarian village. They were telling me that there's a well known joke that goes the rounds when learning English as a foreign language. I'd never heard of it, but it's a clever and very succinct summary of what a minefield English pronunciation can be.

https://www.englishclub.com/esl-articles/199909.htm


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The 'word' in question has certainly been around for a long time. I remember it as far back as the 80s, and possibly even earlier.

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cal562301 wrote:
The 'word' in question has certainly been around for a long time. I remember it as far back as the 80s, and possibly even earlier.

I remember my father showing me that in about 1962, and telling me that he got it from his father thirty years earlier!


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