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PostPosted: 16 Aug 2017, 21:24 
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Contracts are hard to find and I'd expected to self-publish this one, so I'm glad not to have to do that. Like I said though - alien to someone brought up on Chalet School principles!

In much nicer news, I stroked and chatted to some adorable alpacas yesterday. :D

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PostPosted: 17 Aug 2017, 07:47 
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I have issues with job interviews because of that sort of thing - you're supposed to talk yourself up, and say how wonderful you are, and make them think that their firm should be rushing to snap up someone with your manifold talents, etc, and I find it so hard to do! It's just not the CS way :lol: .

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PostPosted: 17 Aug 2017, 13:04 
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I have issues with job interviews because of that sort of thing - you're supposed to talk yourself up, and say how wonderful you are, and make them think that their firm should be rushing to snap up someone with your manifold talents, etc, and I find it so hard to do! It's just not the CS way :lol: .


That's precisely the problem I have with job interviews. Most of the time, I only apply for jobs that I know I am capable of doing well. But I know I don't 'sell' myself as well as I could.

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 Post subject: Re: Yet more whinges!!
PostPosted: 17 Aug 2017, 16:10 
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That's precisely the problem I have with job interviews. Most of the time, I only apply for jobs that I know I am capable of doing well. But I know I don't 'sell' myself as well as I could.

Who does, Cal? :shock: Being a Catholic, I was brought up to believe that anything good I said about myself was committing the sin of pride. Trouble is, I still believe that, at the grand old age of 71. Talk about being indoctrinated. :? I sometimes wonder how I managed to get the teaching jobs I did, and reckon references must have had much more influence in days gone by.

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 Post subject: Re: Yet more whinges!!
PostPosted: 17 Aug 2017, 23:16 
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Research has shown that women under-sell themselves compared to men. If a job advert has seven criteria, a man will look at it and say "I can do five of those" and apply; a women will say "I can only do five of those" and not try.

Incidentally and anecdotally, I don't get the same reaction from my French female friends. They are mainly retired now but they don't hang back from stating their successes whether it is a good crop from their vegetable garden or their choir receiving a standing ovation. At first, it seemed, in an English context, as boasting - now I see it as a statement of fact.


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 Post subject: Re: Yet more whinges!!
PostPosted: 19 Aug 2017, 22:44 
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I have to do it, to some extent, because I signed the contract and I don't want to end up in detention with a dunce's cap. But it's so alien to the way so many of us were brought up - be polite, don't be pushy, don't blow your own trumpet.

I tried, because advice to self published writers is that you must have a social media presence. But blogging took too much time, I never got to grips with Facebook, and I couldn't be one of those people on Twitter who tweet the same thing several times a day, day after day. The most I do these days is dip into discussions on Goodreads now and again. And I sell just as many books, if not more. (Not that I sell a huge number, either way.)


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PostPosted: 20 Aug 2017, 07:14 
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My ex-boss, who was very old-fashioned, thought that advertising was very vulgar and that firms should rely on recommendations from satisfied customers :lol:. I don't know if the Chalet School advertised in reputable newspapers and magazines, but we're obviously meant to be very unimpressed with Miss Bubb accosting Jem in the street and trying to persuade him to send Joey to St Scholastika's. Times and attitudes have changed and everyone advertises these days, but it does go a bit far sometimes. And I feel as if I'm always being asked to "like" someone's friend/relative's Facebook page - I appreciate that people are just trying to earn a living, as with leaflets getting shoved through the letterbox etc, but it gets a bit much.

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 Post subject: Re: Yet more whinges!!
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I hate it all. I particularly hate that the minute I have used some service or other, from buying stationery to visiting a hospital, a survey arrives in my email or on my mobile, wanting to know "How did we do?"

I am old enough to tell you off my own bat if you have done well or badly. Otherwise, leave me alone.

As for Facebook....I don't think even the advent of Joey on there (from another thread) could make it worse, or more dangerous, than it is.

I shall now retreat into my curmudgeonly old age. Preferably in a cave far, far away in a deep, dark forest. With nuclear protection.

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 Post subject: Re: Yet more whinges!!
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I hate it all. I particularly hate that the minute I have used some service or other, from buying stationery to visiting a hospital, a survey arrives in my email or on my mobile, wanting to know "How did we do?"


Yes - and whenever I buy something online it is followed by emails with their latest offer, don't mind Amazon as I sometimes find out about books I'm interested in, but buy a ticket, book a holiday, buy a present - and get a stream of emails ever after!


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 Post subject: Re: Yet more whinges!!
PostPosted: 20 Aug 2017, 11:29 
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cestina wrote:
I hate it all. I particularly hate that the minute I have used some service or other, from buying stationery to visiting a hospital, a survey arrives in my email or on my mobile, wanting to know "How did we do?"


Yes - and whenever I buy something online it is followed by emails with their latest offer, don't mind Amazon as I sometimes find out about books I'm interested in, but buy a ticket, book a holiday, buy a present - and get a stream of emails ever after!


I now have a specific email address to use when buying something online. I try to remember to unsubscribe if it's a supplier I am only likely to use once otherwise it's useful to have them all together and keep my own personal email account separate. Doesn't always work though!!


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 Post subject: Re: Yet more whinges!!
PostPosted: 20 Aug 2017, 12:16 
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Alison H wrote:
My ex-boss, who was very old-fashioned, thought that advertising was very vulgar and that firms should rely on recommendations from satisfied customers :lol:. I don't know if the Chalet School advertised in reputable newspapers and magazines, but we're obviously meant to be very unimpressed with Miss Bubb accosting Jem in the street and trying to persuade him to send Joey to St Scholastika's. Times and attitudes have changed and everyone advertises these days, but it does go a bit far sometimes. And I feel as if I'm always being asked to "like" someone's friend/relative's Facebook page - I appreciate that people are just trying to earn a living, as with leaflets getting shoved through the letterbox etc, but it gets a bit much.

I guess the Chalet School depended on word of mouth to get new pupils but I have seen old adverts in books such as Kelly's Directories for private schools (most of them long since closed) so advertising for pupils can't have been unheard of back then.

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P'raps Rosalie put adverts in secretly so that Hilda's mind didn't have to be sullied with such vulgar considerations... :wink: :lol:

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They probably appeared in specialist directories and guides to independent schools.

But the CS was always heavily reliant, one might say over -reliant, on word of mouth and family connections.

In the last year covered by the books, the two fifth forms included Ailie, Janice, Judy, Jose, Adrienne, Tessa de Bersac (I think), Jack Lambert, Wanda II, Gretchen von Ahlen, all of whom were there through OG connections. And possibly others whom I've forgotten.

I had one of those 'how did we do?' Emails recently. I couldn't answer most of the questions because I hadn't gone to the shop in question to make a purchase, but to collect something I'd ordered online.


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I usually ignore those things unless I'm getting some reward or it's a small business or something that I want to support.

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It seems one can't even go on a website these days - local council, BBC, Argos - without a little pop-up window asking for feedback, before one has even had a chance to do whatever it was one went there for.


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ivohenry wrote:
cestina wrote:
I hate it all. I particularly hate that the minute I have used some service or other, from buying stationery to visiting a hospital, a survey arrives in my email or on my mobile, wanting to know "How did we do?"


Yes - and whenever I buy something online it is followed by emails with their latest offer, don't mind Amazon as I sometimes find out about books I'm interested in, but buy a ticket, book a holiday, buy a present - and get a stream of emails ever after!


I now have a specific email address to use when buying something online. I try to remember to unsubscribe if it's a supplier I am only likely to use once otherwise it's useful to have them all together and keep my own personal email account separate. Doesn't always work though!!


That's a good idea, maybe I'll do that next time. One I unsubscribed from recently asked why - and that was a compulsory field. There are things I've unsubbed from which pop back up a few weeks later which is annoyng - ( know where they are if I want them again!


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I don't mind Amazon and eBay so much, because people do tend to look at the number of "stars" that a seller had, but I'm quite sure that Tesco take no notice if I rate my "experience" of doing my weekly shop, and that Costa Coffee take no notice if I rate my "experience" of drinking a pot of tea, so why ask??

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I'm quite possibly just turning into a grumpy old woman but I really could do without the sound of the upstairs neighbours' grandkids charging around. Old flats, no soundproofing, noise akin to a herd of baby elephants. :( :( :( :(

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One I unsubscribed from recently asked why - and that was a compulsory field.


I had one of those recently, for a computer service that came preloaded on my laptop and crashes it daily. I can't remember my exact words, but I think I said I'd rather sellotape copies of my user login, password and CC number to every lamppost in the city centre than have to deal with their 'security feature' again.


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I have just had a request from John Lewis asking for a review of a recent purchase. It was for some ribbon and a pair of knitting needles............


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