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 Post subject: Another Royal Baby Names Thread
PostPosted: 10 Mar 2018, 16:50 
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Royal baby isn't due until April, but I'm procrastinating this afternoon so I thought I'd start this.

William and Catherine have been quite traditional in their choice of names so far. Might they go for something a bit more unusual this time?

If it's a boy, I think Philip might be one of the names. It's difficult to think of traditional boys' names that aren't already in use in the extended royal family.

Alice for a girl? Prince Philip's mother was Alice, and she was the granddaughter of Queen Victoria's second daughter, Princess Alice. Eleanor, Philippa, Isabella, Joanna were all English princesses in the Middle Ages. More recently, I rather like Adelaide, which one doesn't hear much.

And separately, what title might the Queen confer on Prince Harry on his marriage? Clarence is a royal dukedom, but doesn't have very good associations. Neither does Cumberland. Queen Victoria's son Leopold was Duke of Albany, a Scottish title.

Or might they come up with something entirely new, like they did for Prince Edward?


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PostPosted: 10 Mar 2018, 17:05 
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When the engagement was announced, there was quite a bit of speculation in the D Telegraph about the title for Harry - I seem to remember they thought the most likely was Duke of Sussex.

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PostPosted: 10 Mar 2018, 17:34 
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I was going to say Duke of Sussex, as well. As you say, the others don't have the best of connotations - the last Duke of Clarence was suspected of being Jack the Ripper, and a previous Duke of Cumberland was known as the Butcher of Culloden for killing a lot of EBD's beloved Jacobites, for people not familiar with British royal history :roll: :roll: !

I'd like to see them go for Victoria, if it's a girl. I know it's Princess Eugenie's middle name, but it's fallen out of use in the main branch of the Royal Family, apart from that. Or Alice, which was one of the favourites last time. And apparently Mary is the bookies' favourite.

Arthur's been mentioned, and I like that because it was my grandad's name, but one of Lady Sarah Chatto's sons is Arthur. They could always revive Albert, which is coming back into fashion now and is one of Prince Harry's names, but I still think of that as a name for an older generation. James is also being mentioned, but surely they won't choose that, because Kate's brother and Edward and Sophie's son are both James. Maybe it will be Albert: most of the other names are already taken!

I think Edward came up with "Earl of Wessex" because he thought it sounded historical and romantic: I don't think that Prince Harry's style :lol: . I'm sure he'll get a new title, though, because otherwise Meghan will have to be "Princess Henry", which sounds awful!

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 Post subject: Re: Another Royal Baby Names Thread
PostPosted: 10 Mar 2018, 18:21 
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Yes, 'Princess Henry' is awful, and then you'd start getting 'Princess Meghan'.

Just had a Google, and there seems to have been a lot of speculation about the Dukedom of Sussex. The only previous Duke of S., a son of George III, doesn't seem to have been notable for anything except his marital adventures.

Alfred is another older name beginning with A, and a splendid person to be named after. Pity Edward and Sophie didn't use it for their son, then he'd have been Alfred of Wessex! 'Alfie' is already very popular, though, so that might put them off.

Shame they gave George Alexander as one of his names, as Prince Alexander of Cambridge (or Princess Alexandra) has a good sound.


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PostPosted: 10 Mar 2018, 19:10 
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I’m another voter for Sussex, alot of the other potential dukedoms have negative connotations.

I’m going for Princess Caroline, for a girl - it’s royalish, and Kate’s mother is Carole :D


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PostPosted: 10 Mar 2018, 19:48 
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Not sure about Caroline for a first name, it may be too much like Charlotte, both feminine versions of Charles. Could be a middle name. Carole's middle name is Elizabeth, and Pippa's is Charlotte, so both already used.

For a girl I'll go for Alice Victoria Mary, for a boy Richard Henry James


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PostPosted: 10 Mar 2018, 20:16 
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I've also seen that Albert has been mentioned. It would be nice to have a new Princess Victoria though. Someone I know says that she thinks Diana will be used again - but I can't see that myself. What do others think?

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 Post subject: Re: Another Royal Baby Names Thread
PostPosted: 10 Mar 2018, 20:54 
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Isn't Diana one of Charlotte's names? I don't suppose they'd use it again as a middle name, and I think it carries a bit too much baggage to be used as the name for every day use.

I like Alice Victoria Mary. I don't much like Albert as a name, but I suppose it might please the Queen, as her father was Albert, known as Bertie.


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PostPosted: 10 Mar 2018, 22:08 
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I think the baby will have a traditional name. The names being mentioned - Arthur and Albert - do not appeal to me one bit. As they have already picked George, why not Andrew, David or Patrick? Andrew is maybe unlikely because of the Duke of York. Alexander would have been nice but I think it is one of George's names. I suppose Philip could be a possibility. Frederick or Alfred? Maybe not.

I actually think the baby is a girl. I like Alexandra, Eleanor, Isabelle (a), Lucy although I do not think Lucy likely. I am not so keen on Alice. Mary could be a possibility or Rose although again Rose not likely. Doesn't Caroline/Carole come from the same source as Charlotte? Carole anyway would probably not be considered grand enough. I am quite tired of Victoria although it is a good royal name.

Harry's title? Duke of Sussex. Watch if the Queen goes there shortly before the wedding. Cumberland is definitely out because of the Jacobite/RC thing and Clarence would also be out. What about something new - Duke of Kensington or Duke of London. I seem to remember London was offered to Churchill.


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PostPosted: 10 Mar 2018, 23:06 
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Franeis or Francis could be possible middle name. Frances was Diana's second name, and her mother's name. and Francis is Michael Middleton's second name.


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PostPosted: 07 Apr 2018, 12:32 
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JayB wrote:
It's difficult to think of traditional boys' names that aren't already in use in the extended royal family

I really think that this baby had better be another girl - the current royal dynasty produces more boys than girls, so they could do with some more leaven in the mix, and yes, they are close to running out of male names that they would consider suitable (includes no duplications, avoidance of sad/bad memories etc). I suspect that the parents don't necessarily have that much choice!

I'd have thought Alice a quite likely choice for a girl, although it does have some sad connotations for them as well in Queen Victoria's daughter who died at 35, but then you could say the same about Charlotte.

If keeping to the 'Georgian' theme, the children of George III (since George IV's only child was Princess Charlotte) were George, Frederick, William, Charlotte, Edward, Augusta Sophia, Elizabeth, Ernest Augustus, Augustus, Adolphus, Mary, Sophia, Octavius, Alfred and Amelia. A surprising number of those are in use already, and of the rest, I really can't see, say, Adolphus (too German) or Octavius (this isn't an eighth child and Prince Octavius died as a child) making the cut.

ETA: in my wickeder moments I imagine Prince Jayden or Princess Tayla!


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PostPosted: 07 Apr 2018, 13:10 
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ETA: in my wickeder moments I imagine Prince Jayden or Princess Tayla!


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 Post subject: Re: Another Royal Baby Names Thread
PostPosted: 07 Apr 2018, 19:45 
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Thinking about Harry's title again. Is it possible that he might be made an earl as was Prince Edward? I know that Edward is likely to be made Duke of Edinburgh after the death of the current Duke and the Queen so maybe not.

On the other hand why not make Harry wait a bit a and give him an earldom first and then make him Duke of York if Andrew pre-deceases him?

I must say I think it should have been left that only the firstborn child of Prince William had the title prince/princess (or HRH) until the Queen dies. It was disappointing that this was changed.


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PostPosted: 07 Apr 2018, 19:56 
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I doubt it. It was understood that Edward would eventually become Duke of Edinburgh, and, also, they were trying to tone things down at the time because the Royal Family weren't having a great time in the popularity stakes following Diana's death. And, whilst I think Edward and Sophie do a lot of work fulfilling some of the less glamorous royal engagements, there's going to be a lot more attention on Harry and Meghan, and I think that the higher-ranked title'll be seen as going along with that.

Mary now seems to be the favourite for a girl. I do wish someone would use Victoria, though!

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 Post subject: Re: Another Royal Baby Names Thread
PostPosted: 08 Apr 2018, 01:00 
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Alison H wrote:
I doubt it. It was understood that Edward would eventually become Duke of Edinburgh, and, also, they were trying to tone things down at the time because the Royal Family weren't having a great time in the popularity stakes following Diana's death. And, whilst I think Edward and Sophie do a lot of work fulfilling some of the less glamorous royal engagements, there's going to be a lot more attention on Harry and Meghan, and I think that the higher-ranked title'll be seen as going along with that.

Mary now seems to be the favourite for a girl. I do wish someone would use Victoria, though!


You are probably right, Alison.

Funnily enough I have not thought the baby is going to be anything else but a girl which probably means definitely a boy.


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PostPosted: 08 Apr 2018, 14:58 
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If it's a boy, what about Prince Christian?

I'm afraid the title Prince or Princess depends on on being a grandson or grand daughter, or great grandson or great granddaughter of the ruling monarch.

In the case of Edward and Sophie, they didn't want their children lumbered with Prince or Princess.

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 Post subject: Re: Another Royal Baby Names Thread
PostPosted: 08 Apr 2018, 17:40 
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Jennie wrote:
If it's a boy, what about Prince Christian?

I'm afraid the title Prince or Princess depends on on being a grandson or grand daughter, or great grandson or great granddaughter of the ruling monarch.

In the case of Edward and Sophie, they didn't want their children lumbered with Prince or Princess.


Before George was born there was an Act of Parliament or some other legislation brought in because otherwise only a son of William and Kate ( and only the firstborn son) would have got the full title. It could have been though it was the HRH part that was affected and not the Prince or Princess part.

Any daughter or subsequent son would not have got the title HRH until they went a generation nearer the throne. Fair enough it should have been changed to be first child of any gender that got the full title but legislation concerning subsequent children should have been left.

Just checked it and using George VI as an example, when he was born his great grandmother Victoria was still queen. George VI was a second son so his first title was His Highness etc not His ROYAL Highness. He did not become HRH until Victoria died. All William's children will be HRH from the outset. Just irritates me.


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 Post subject: Re: Another Royal Baby Names Thread
PostPosted: 08 Apr 2018, 17:55 
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https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/p ... n-11595194

http://www.royalhistorygeeks.com/what-t ... dren-have/

This explains better.


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PostPosted: 09 Apr 2018, 14:32 
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I'm going with Victoria Mary Margaret for a girl, Augustus Arthur Philip for a boy.

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PostPosted: 23 Apr 2018, 13:21 
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Well, now we know it's a boy. I'd say Arthur is very likely, but perhaps Alfred as they seem to be working through George III's children!


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