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PostPosted: 01 Sep 2015, 09:39 
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And like me Lisa, was it a long time before you discovered that barely anyone else did it? Or did your early experience with "tree" alert you to the fact that you were operating differently?

Excellent to meet someone else - maybe there are others on here as well.

I too am a good speller, or at least I used to be, though I don't see words floating as I write them. I am somewhat distressed to find that spelling is something that can be affected as one gets older.....and it's the easy words that sometimes cause problems. Very strange.

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I've always spelled words according to what "looks" right, rather than using spelling rules. My mum remembers my English teacher telling the whole staffroom that he'd found a spelling mistake in an essay I'd written (he was wrong - he'd misread my writing).

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I'm an instinctive speller too. And I very rarely get it wrong! However, I do occasionally type (or write) a word and somehow it 'looks' wrong, even though I may have typed it thousands of times before. Does anyone else have that experience?

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Yes, that sometimes happens. Also, when I've had a seizure, I will spell words wrongly, see that they are wrong but not be able to work out how they are wrong.

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Another instinctive speller here, which is why I placed so much emphasis on spelling, etc in my years of teaching - despite the pundits in the nineties who told us to ignore spelling and grammar in children's writing. Why? :banghead:

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I can't ignore spelling and grammar: when they're wrong, it's like seeing a discord on the page.

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I am also an instinctive speller, natural grammar maven and not great at visualising. I always prefer books to films because to me the verbal descriptions are so much more vivid. Whe I spell I am really not sure how I'm doing it - I have always been able to spell, and I don't think I visualise the word exactly, I just know. However, I wouldn't say I never visualise anything, and like all these things I suspect there is a spectrum.

Ironically, in my professional life I'm a dyslexia specialist in HE, despite being probably the least dyslexic person I've ever met. That's probably what makes it so fascinating, but it has forced me to be more sympathetic to poor spelling rather than give in to my natural Lynne Trussish tendencies.


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I tend more to visualise where places are in relation to one another rather than getting a picture in my mind of what a building, for example, looks like. So if you asked me to visualise the Platz, I'd tell you that the San is at the right-hand end (if you're looking at it from the valley side) and the School at the left-hand end. Looking towards the San, Freudesheim is to the left of the school. What do any of these places look like? Beyond the fact they have doors and windows and a roof, I have no clue.
I have an image of various rooms within the school--Hilda's study, for one, and Hall, but that's about all I can 'see', location-wise.

Does anyone else find when picturing characters that you can see their silhouette and their hair, but cannot conjure up anything resembling facial features?

Also, who else has memories as words instead of pictures? Mine are all stories rather than images.

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I tend to see memories as colours. In fact many things seem to be colours. It's incredibly hard for me to picture a person's face, and even if I manage it, I can't do it for more than a split second - not long enough to see if it's accurate. Letters of the alphabet are colours too, although sometimes I can't describe the colours, and it's capital letters, not small letters so much. "A" is bright and comforting, but it's not a colour that I can name. Both "R" and"T" are red, but different shades - "R" is a metallic, shiny red, but "T" isn't. If I start to think about it, it becomes hard to read because I'm seeing the colours and almost having to translate.

Does this make sense to anyone?

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Sellenger wrote:
I can enjoy them, but I can't "see" them.

I'm the exact same. I don't visualise things in my mind, I think in words/symbols only, but I do that very vividly. I also don't recognise faces, which is probably related.

Your entire post above makes sense to me too, and Rietta's. I think I'm a mixture between those two.

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 Post subject: Re: Does anyone else have difficulty
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Good to know I'm not the only one. It's taken years for me to realise that not everyone sees things in the same way.

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Rietta wrote:
I tend more to visualise where places are in relation to one another rather than getting a picture in my mind of what a building, for example, looks like. So if you asked me to visualise the Platz, I'd tell you that the San is at the right-hand end (if you're looking at it from the valley side) and the School at the left-hand end. Looking towards the San, Freudesheim is to the left of the school.

Interesting - in my mind the San and the School are the opposite way around, with Freudesheim on the San side of the School. Does EBD ever actually tell us anything about their relative locations?

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I don't think so, but I've always assumed that Freudesheim was nearer the San just because that'd be more convenient for Jack ... but, as, the school and the San were next door to each other, I don't suppose it'd make that much difference :D. & I've also got the school on the right, but I don't know why.

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I have a triangle in my mind: Freudesheim bottom left, school bottom right, San at the top.


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My idea of the Platz geography is the same as Rietta. I'm another who does not see pictures in my mind but I "know" where things are/should be without the need for pictures.


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I've got (left to right): School and Freudesheim very close together, and then a three mile gap to the San on the far right.

What I can't place are the other things - Biddy and Hilary's house, the train station, the other chalets, where the road up from the valley is...


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I can't visualise the area at all. In real life I have difficulty giving directions, partly because I can't drive and partly because I've always been confused about left and right.

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Caroline wrote:
I've got (left to right): School and Freudesheim very close together, and then a three mile gap to the San on the far right.

What I can't place are the other things - Biddy and Hilary's house, the train station, the other chalets, where the road up from the valley is...


The road up from the valley is pretty flexible, I think. I'm sure it begins as coming up right by the San, which makes sense, due to the ambulances, but by the end of the Swiss years it gets described nearer and nearer the school. :banghead:
In my mental landscape, Biddy and Hilary's chalet is about half a mile from the San, and fairly close to the pinewoods that line the back of the shelf. The railway is maybe a mile from the school, though I can't picture much of its surroundings. The Elisehutte is near the meadow where the girls ski, so that's not too far from the station, I guess...
My big problem with the Platz is that it's supposed to be three miles long, with School and San at either end, but the School has so many gardens and playing fields and tennis courts etcetera that it must surely cover about half the Platz. Does anyone know how wide the Platz is supposed to be?

I've a feeling that anyone who has their vision the opposite to mine may be slightly more correct, but the description is so inconsistent in the Swiss books that really it's anybody's guess. And we're all entitled to our own personal landscape. :D

Sellenger, I have trouble giving directions too--partly because I also struggle with left and right, especially when put on the spot, and partly because I'm really bad at remembering routes. I'm afraid I help people more by not giving them directions--at least that way they won't get more lost! :oops:

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I'm not much good at giving directions because I visualize how to get to places so my directions tend to include references to funny shaped trees and the way the road curves round certain fields. I tried giving a colleague directions to the rubbish dump but she got so confused she told me to shut up.


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I don't think I have ever tried to visualise any scene in any book. But I think I could find my way around the Platz. I wonder how that works?

I give directions using pubs, petrol stations and other easily identified objects. It's the easiest way for me to follow instructions to a strange place and you don't need to worry too much about left and right. I don't have a problem with them but whoever I am talking to might!

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