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 Post subject: Question: Chalet School CBB anthology - any interest??
PostPosted: 24 Aug 2009, 13:05 
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Dear all,

This idea came from a comment from someone who had bought my fill-in novel, Cornelia, and said how lovely to see your name in print in a book. This statement (which is true!) got me thinking and I chatted to Yersinia (my publisher) over the weekend and mentioned to them how many great story-tellers there are on this site. Anyway, to cut a long conversation short, they wondered whether there would be any interest within the site of publishing an anthology of the best short stories? Maybe it could be run in the form of a competition or something with the best 15 or so stories being published? It could be themed, it could be split into the five sections for drabbles here? I don’t know there are a lot of ways it could be undertaken.

Yersinia specialise in small press publications and short print runs, however they would need to be sure there was a market for this as they would have to recoup their costs. They wouldn’t charge the CBB anything for doing this and have asked if I’d be happy to edit and proof read with them (also for nothing!!), which I’ve said I will if there is general interest in this as a concept.

There would have to be some guidelines – stories no more than about 5000 words (preferably between 2000-4000 words). Obviously no infringement of copyright so passages from CS books cannot be included and neither stories involving copyrighted characters (such as Harry Potter). You would own the copyright of your story but you would assign Yersinia a non-exclusive licence to publish the story.

What does everyone think of this as an idea? Is there interest? If there is how shall we set it up?

I remember how I felt when I got the first glowing review of Cornelia and it was an amazing feeling – which I’d like to help others to get!

Not sure where to post this, so please feel free to move Mods.

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PostPosted: 24 Aug 2009, 13:31 
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They wouldn’t charge the CBB anything for doing this


Would they pay the authors for their work?


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I have a feeling that there was a discussion about this idea a while ago but I can't remember for the life of me what the outcome was...

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I floated the idea a few years ago, but was looking at a relatively narrow theme for the stories, and I seem to recall I didn't have quite enough work to go at. And then the thought of actually organising it seemed like a bit much like effort. Natch.

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Good to see some debate!

To answer some of the questions. I think new stories would be best, that is why I thought a competition or themes may be a good idea.

Author's would not get paid but I suggested to Yersinia that perhaps a sum could be paid per book sold and go to the running of the CBB. I guess it isn't free!! Small print runs are quite expensive per book and so their margins would be quite low.

I'm happy to be involved in the organisation of it, but it does depend on if there is sufficient interest to be viable - so over to everyone for comments,

Jackie


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It certainly sounds like an interesting idea. How much interest is enough? I know little of these things!

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tiernsee wrote:
Good to see some debate!
Author's would not get paid


Did they give a reason?

I'm sure other author's whose work features in similiar anthologies have been paid in the past. In fact I have just checked with an author and they were paid.

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Do they have a website, Jackie? Googling seems to bring up nothing on this publisher at all.

Even if there's no down-payment for the stories, a royalty percentage should go to the authors, surely? Or is this a vanity publisher?


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Hello all,

Yersinia is not a vanity publisher as they don’t take money to publish books (I think this is what a vanity does?) They are a small local (as in Devon) press publisher and currently have two titles – mine and a comedy fishing novel. They don’t have a web site but two are in construction, one for each book.

In terms of payment for authors. I think there has to be some realism here. I think it is a case of basic economics. With such a small print run (of possibly 50-200 books?) costs will invariably be higher and the Chalet School is pretty niche so unlikely to have high demand. Looking on line semi-pro rates for short stories are usually between 5-35 dollars per story (depending on length) or no payment and a contributor’s copy. Bearing this in mind I discussed with Yersinia the option of making a contribution per book sold toward the running costs of the CBB. They are not forcing anyone to buy the book but would need to be able to recoup the preparation and production costs.

Knowing how good some of the drabbles are on here I thought it was a nice idea – but I accept Ariel’s comment that if they are posted we can read them for free anyway! So if we decide to continue with this I’d suggest new stories, perhaps themed (maybe spring, summer and autumn term stories (in the loosest sense of the words!)). However, over to everyone else for continued debate!

Jackie


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If they are to be new stories, how will they be chosen? Would Yersinia do this, or would we (as in, I suppose, a committee of some sort)?

As I say, it does sound like an interesting and fun idea, if it can be made feasible.

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As lizarfau said, there's the question of royalties owed to authors for their work, and I think that's a legal requirement, though not sure about that. And who would let their work be published for nothing? As for small print runs, it depends on what you mean by small. Both Lesley and I had print runs of 1,000 and sold them all. Matador did another run of 300 copies of Librarian, and it's now print on demand. GGB do more than that - around 2,500 I think. In the publishing world that's a small print run, but I know how going from 500 copies to 1,000 brings the price per copy down. Anything as small as 200 is hardly worth doing cost wise, surely!
Advertising on Girls Own mailing list and in the New Chalet Club will boost sales.

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They should also be on sale through Amazon as well as being able to be found through googling. There are fans who are not members of the clubs. Book dealers should also be offered deals to stock them (and I am sure Caroline can tell you a lot more about that than I can.)

Does your printer ensure ISBN number and BL catalogue etc for you, or will someone need to organise that.

If not then we are not talking about a professional book, but something more akin to a fan based magazine or booklet which a print run of 200 sounds much more like. While there is nothing wrong with that as far as it goes, there needs to be some clarity about what is being proposed.

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There is also the requirement for sending copies to all the deposit libraries, not just the BL. There's 6 altogether I think. Matador did all that for me.

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Pat wrote:
There is also the requirement for sending copies to all the deposit libraries, not just the BL. There's 6 altogether I think. Matador did all that for me.


Pat's right, though many small publishers forget this and then either the Copyright Agency or the Legal Deposit Libraries themselves have to chase the copies.

The six Legal Deposit Libraries are:

The British Library
The Bodleian Library, Oxford
The University Library, Cambridge
The National Library of Scotland, Edinburgh
The Library of Trinity College, Dublin
The National Library of Wales, Aberystwyth

The last named being my 'office' :lol:

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The copies are donated too!

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Jackie - this is a great idea! Like ChubbyMonkey, I wasn't here the last time it was floated, so I'm watching the discussion with interest :)

As far as the issue of paying authors go, I'm not sure that everyone would demand money for their work, as long as they were in agreement with what was actually going to happen to any potential profit. I think donating profits to the CBB is a lovely idea - it would be kind of nice to be able to give something back and have fun while doing it!

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I think donating profits to the CBB is a lovely idea - it would be kind of nice to be able to give something back and have fun while doing it!


Just to take the opportunity, :wink: should anyone want to donate towards the hosting fee, Liss has a paypal account for that purpose.

It's HERE :D


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Sounds a great idea :D

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They should also be on sale through Amazon as well as being able to be found through googling. There are fans who are not members of the clubs. Book dealers should also be offered deals to stock them (and I am sure Caroline can tell you a lot more about that than I can.)


I've already emailed Tiernsee/Jackie this info

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Another alternative, if anyone would be interested in publishing their own stories, is to self-publish via Blurb. I have just done some family history and a few Chalet School short stories that way and they cost me £4.00 each plus p and p, as Blurb cost by the book, and I only wanted one copy of each. They also cost by the number of pages, but if you Google 'Blurb' it is the first thing which comes up, and that is the homepage.

It looks very professional. The 'Text Only' option (which I did), is a little bigger than GGB books, and you can get a hardback verson. You can illustrate the front cover and back cover as you wish. The downside is that you have to do your own proof-reading!

If you wanted to sell the book you could then advertise here (or similar), giving the link, and people would buy direct from Blurb. You can sell them at the price they cost, or you can inform Blurb that you want a mark-up - say £1.00 per copy. They sell the books and you get a small royalty for every book sold. Alternatively you could get a few copies bound and sell them yourself on ebay?

This is very easy and cheap, in that they only print as required.

Now mine was for me only, and didn't go for sale, but if for sale I don't know what would be the position about books for libraries, etc. However worth looking into.


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Thanks for posting the Blurb details Margaret, that looks very interesting.....

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