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 Post subject: Re: Question: Chalet School CBB anthology - any interest??
PostPosted: 04 Oct 2009, 15:57 
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One thing which I thought might be worth mentioning is that Blurb is done through the internet. The original firm was, I believe, in the US. Books written and delivered to Australia (so I imagine Canada and obviously US) are posted from the US, but mine, delivered to GB came from Holland, presumably the Czech republic and Ireland would be the same as mine.

Given the global interest in this board I thought it might be worth mentioning that we all have equal access, also, were it not to be a CS book, there would be no conflict on the colour/color question, as you do your own proof-reading.

Don't be put off by their advertised books! I have seen some really lovely ones, but largely not done for sale.


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PostPosted: 05 Oct 2009, 08:19 
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My university course used Blurb to publish an anthology. I can confirm that the books look good and are affordable. Our book costs about £20, including P&P, but there are quite a few authors and artists. I've just ordered four more hardback copies and expect them to arrive in about ten days.

Blurb is self-publishing, but you only have to pay for the book, so it's not really vanity publishing.

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Blurb is self-publishing, but you only have to pay for the book, so it's not really vanity publishing.


Absolutely, Joey. That's an important distinction.

I've no experience of Blurb but friends have used Lulu, which I guess is similar. One friend, a performance poet, has had several print runs of her books, which she sells at gigs, and is now in profit after the initial outlay on ISBN, etc.

One thing to remember though, is distribution. If people wanted an anthology to be available through Amazon, that's more problematic.


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I was a bit vague about Amazon. Hopefully this will be clearer (i've had more coffee now). As an ordinary Amazon Market Place seller, i can sell any book which already exists on Amazon's system ie it recognises the ISBN. I can't though add a book which it doesn't recognise, although I believe you can if you're a professional seller with a paid account.

With most self-publishing deals, you can pay extra for a "marketing package" which includes Amazon listing but this starts to make it more expensive.

Blurb and Lulu are genuine self-publishing companies and you set the price for your own book. I think the Matador package (which Pat used for Librarian) looks good but of course it costs more. I know other bad stories about some American self-publishing companies and Amazon.


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JB wrote:
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Blurb is self-publishing, but you only have to pay for the book, so it's not really vanity publishing.


Absolutely, Joey. That's an important distinction.


What's the diff?


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JB wrote:Joey wrote:

Quote:Blurb is self-publishing, but you only have to pay for the book, so it's not really vanity publishing.

Absolutely, Joey. That's an important distinction.

What's the diff?
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Blurb is self-publishing, but you only have to pay for the book, so it's not really vanity publishing.


Absolutely, Joey. That's an important distinction.


What's the diff?


I've taken this from the Writers' and Artists' Yearbook from an article by Johanthan Clifford, who campaigns about the perils of vanity publishing. He starts off by giving the example of a 12 year old girl who wrote to him saying that she had a found a publisher who would publish her work, sight unseen. They would charge £1,900 to print 100 copies of a 38 page book. He uses the term "vanity publishing" to describe any company which charges a client to publish a book" ie they make their profit from these up-front charges and don't need to actually sell a copy of the book to make money.

If you self-publish, you set up a publishing house (ie the name which appears in the front of the book) and all copies of the book belong to you. For a fairly small fee per book, you can market and distribute the book yourself, or you can pay extra for the company to help with this.

GP Taylor first published Shadowmancer in this way before attracting a mainstream publisher.

There's a link here to Matador (publishers of Chalet School Librarian) which explans more:

http://www.troubador.co.uk/matador/


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JB wrote:
If you self-publish, you set up a publishing house (ie the name which appears in the front of the book) and all copies of the book belong to you. For a fairly small fee per book, you can market and distribute the book yourself, or you can pay extra for the company to help with this.


So in the other; all the books would belong to the publisher?

Thanks for posting the info. Presume one would be essentially a sub-contracted worker of the publisher though and have to fiddle with one's own tax return.


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Thanks for posting the info. Presume one would be essentially a sub-contracted worker of the publisher though and have to fiddle with one's own tax return.


You could set up the company as a sole trader/self-employed or as a limited company if you were taking much financial risk. I hadn't thought of the tax return angle - I really must get round to doing mine :cry:


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Wandering off a bit OT - certainly from the title - please does anyone know how much an ISBN number costs? SLOC is writing up a holiday we had with a friend in a wheelchair. We had so much fun friend commented that it would 'make a book', so SLOC is doing it for him. Another friend heard about it and suggested that it might have a limited niche market, why didn't he publish it, rather than only getting just the one copy for friend. Blurb are saying they are going to get ISBN numbers - is it worth our while waiting?

Thank you all.

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It's £107 for 10. You can't buy less than 10.

This is a really useful for this and other publishing queries http://www.isbn.nielsenbook.co.uk/controller.php?page=158. There's also a section on "why should i get an ISBN?"

If you're thinking of selling it through Amazon, you'd still need to sort out distribution as you can't sell a book which doesn't already exist on their system and you can't create a new entry unless you're a professional seller.


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Thank you for that. Actually I'm not sure that we'd want that many more than 20, as it would have a very limited interest, but a doctor friend (married, keep your hands off all you CBB girls), wanted a couple, and another friend suggested putting some on eBay, so really 20 would do it. But thank you for that information.


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Having reread my first post, I'm not sure I made it clear that the price was for 10 ISBNs, ie for 10 different books. Once you've allocated an ISBN to a book, you can have as many copies published as you want, natch.


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Better and better! We do a lot on Blurb, but for ourselves, this is, at the moment, the only one which we would consider showing to anyone, though.

Thank you again.


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If you consider publishing for a wider market than just 20 copies for family and friends, you might want to consider obtaining Cataloguing in Publication data for inclusion with the ISBN. Especially since this is a non-fiction title, you may well find that having that info in the book broadens the base of potential customers.

Basically, you submit all the details about your book, including a very brief (1-line) statment of what it's around, and you will receive classification and cataloguing information. I'm not sure how it works in the UK but here in Canada, once you have your set of ISBN numbers, you apply to register a title with the Canadian National Library and you are automatically assigned one of your purchased set of ISBN numbers specifically to that book. You can then apply to the National Library's cataloguing service for your CIP information - no charge for this.

I don't know who handles this in the UK, given how long it is since we left England, but I would have to suspect that it's done through the British National Bibliography services (anyone have that information?)


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I think this information is in the link I posted yesterday in the FAQs for new publishers. It is a requirement that a copy of book with an ISBN is sent to the national libraries.


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I think this information is in the link I posted yesterday in the FAQs for new publishers. It is a requirement that a copy of book with an ISBN is sent to the national libraries.


Yes, that's something that's worth considering. All the National Libraries require a copy of any book published in the UK that has an ISBN. I believe there are four - London, Boston Spa, Edinburgh and Aberystwyth. MHE can confirm as she works for the National Library at Aberystwyth. You'll need to factor the cost of those books into your calculations, Margaret.

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And I think Trinity College Dublin gets one as well.


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I think this information is in the link I posted yesterday in the FAQs for new publishers. It is a requirement that a copy of book with an ISBN is sent to the national libraries.


Yes, that's something that's worth considering. All the National Libraries require a copy of any book published in the UK that has an ISBN. I believe there are four - London, Boston Spa, Edinburgh and Aberystwyth. MHE can confirm as she works for the National Library at Aberystwyth. You'll need to factor the cost of those books into your calculations, Margaret.



See my previous post dated 25 August re the Legal Deposit Libraries

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Thank you everyone, we have chewed it over and decided to omit the ISBN. The way we will do it means that our only outlay will be for three books, one for us, one for friend's Christmas present and one for eBay - see if there is an interest. If that goes buy another and sell that.

Otherwise for the people who have already expressed an interest (doctor friend, plus another friend) we will email them a link to the Blurb bookshop, that way they can flick through the first half-dozen pages and then buy direct. If they want it, great, if not -still great we are not loosing any money.

I hope the anthology gets off the ground somehow, though.


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Being shamelessly egotistical, I'm currently wondering whether a collection of 'face-booked' Chalet stories might sell? The first two, and the beginning of the third are still around, and seemed to go down well...

(Am a bit tied up with writing articles and job applications to do anything about it at the moment, I may say).


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