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PostPosted: 21 Jul 2011, 19:00 
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I don't know whether this is the right place to post this - mods, please move if it isn't - but I was amazed to discover, the other night while watching an episode of "Secret Britain" on Yesterday that the lily ponds at Bosherston are a real place and can still be visited! Of course, I promptly thought of the CS's trip there and whoever-it-was (Carola Johnstone?) who fell in! I hadn't realised they were a real place!

Apart from Cadbury World, which isn't quite the same as the factory visit the CS made, what other real-life places have they visited? Particularly while they were in the UK?


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Years ago, I visited these Lily Ponds :) when readin Carola I realised that I had been to them!

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Not an answer, sorry - but when did they visit Cadbury's World? Is that in a non abridged book, or have I just forgotten it perhaps ?

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Beecharmer wrote:
Not an answer, sorry - but when did they visit Cadbury's World? Is that in a non abridged book, or have I just forgotten it perhaps ?


It's in Changes.

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I always enjoyed reading the Cadbury World episode because my boarding school did exactly the same excursion, probably about ten years later. When is Changes set?

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I always enjoyed reading the Cadbury World episode because my boarding school did exactly the same excursion, probably about ten years later. When is Changes set?


That depends a bit on how you date the series. It was first published in 1953 and by some of the more common forms of dating, would be 'set' approx. 1949 or 1950.

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I have visited Bosherston a lot, and there are indeed narrow bridges over the lakes from which it is all too easy to fall in the water! There are loads of lilies in season, and a lot of underwater roots to get tangled in. So I've always really enjoyed that bit of the book in particular.


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 Post subject: Re: The Lily ponds at Bosherston
PostPosted: 22 Jul 2011, 14:55 
I'd never thought of it before, but I can't think of another single major expedition during the UK years! I know they wouldn't have gone on any during the war years, but there seems to be a major hiatus in CS expeditions until they resume them in Switzerland 9apart from small things like Kester Bellever's bird sanctuary etc).

Is it purely lbecause the vast majority of the girls are now from the UK and presumably can go home or to friends and family for halfterms? (Though the Bosherton ponds trip is at halfterm, isn't it, so some girls are still at school?) Or did EBD feel as a writer that there wasn't the same 'exotic' appeal to beauty spots or places of historical interest in the UK? It just strikes me it would have been lovely to see them have a Guide camp in the the Brecon Beacons, or going to Tintern Abbey. (Am I imagining that there is a reference to the girls going to Stratford to see a Shakespeare play, but it's not described...?)


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I visited the Lily Ponds a few years ago and found them very atmospheric. I could very easily visualise the whole scene from Carola, the walkways are very narrow. The Ponds were much bigger than I expected. Well worth a visit.


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I'd never thought of it before, but I can't think of another single major expedition during the UK years! I know they wouldn't have gone on any during the war years, but there seems to be a major hiatus in CS expeditions until they resume them in Switzerland 9apart from small things like Kester Bellever's bird sanctuary etc).

Is it purely lbecause the vast majority of the girls are now from the UK and presumably can go home or to friends and family for halfterms?


I couldn't think of any other major UK excursions, either. And yet, in the immediate post-war period, with petrol difficult to get and train travel time-consuming, very few girls would have gone home for half-term unless they lived fairly locally. I suppose that may be why they only went on excursions towards the end of their time in the UK.


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Stratford would be an obviously "educational" place to go from Armiford/Hereford, and there's also a lot of history in Ludlow and Worcester which are even nearer, but they don't seem to venture very far. We're told in Carola that nearly everyone's gone home for the holidays, so presumably the idea was that there weren't many people left at school, except during the war years when they couldn't really have gone on outings anyway.

I think also that the British books are much more like typical British school stories - we get other schools visiting for tennis matches, and CS teams going over to Carnbach Grammar for hockey/lacrosse matches, which is much more Enid Blyton than EBD - and they don't usually feature a lot of outings ... which is weird, really, because IME most schools take kids on day trips.

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While perusing the BBC Wales website last night, I came across this story which I thought might be of some interest :)

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