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PostPosted: 15 Mar 2012, 19:22 
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I have a funny feeling that in some of the books they went a different way to what they were suppost too.


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Joey could easily have died in Rivals, and Jack in Highland Twins.


Sorry to dredge up this thread, but I missed it originally and have been backreading :D

I always kind of admired that EJO actually killed off one of her husbands (although have also always found it slightly suss that it was Joy who had to lose hers...). If Joey had lost Jack, would she have been allowed to find someone else and marry again, or would she have had to become a sad, lost widow (a little like Maria Marani)?

If she did marry again, who could she have married that would still keep her close to the school? Surely not another doctor... And she couldn't marry a patient as EBD is determined to keep Jo as the delicate one. Perhaps the idea of a boys' school starting up near by could have Joey marrying a male teacher? Or more canonically - keep the school on the island and have her marry Kestor Bellever? :lol:

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Thanks, Nightwing - I'm trying to catch up too, and there's so much brilliant stuff. This one really is too good to pass by!

Joey might have had much more money than Madge and Dick (rich godparent having died and left her a fortune), so that it was her cash that mainly enabled the school to be founded?

Rather more likely, Mr Hope founds a new psychiatric wing at the San, Emerence having lost it completely when Margot entered religion and died of a tropical fever that she had been researching/ dealing with?

Con joins a hippy writers' commune in California and has two children called Willow and Rainbow (not sure of the father)?

Jack Lambert makes IT her hobby and makes a fortune out of product development?


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Guy Charlton studied at the Veterinary School in Edinbugh. Perhaps he met Margot at a student party and they fell in love.......


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No no no, Guy is mine. At least, he would be if he didn't prefer stick-thin ballerinas :( . His friend/cousin-in-law Mariella studied veterinary science at Edinburgh as well, though. Maybe someone remarked on how alike she and Margot looked - reddish-gold hair, blue eyes, perfect figures - and they got chatting, became best mates and went around painting the town red together :D . And then Mariella's mum Irma got Felicity an audition at Sadler's Wells.

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If she did marry again, who could she have married that would still keep her close to the school? Surely not another doctor... And she couldn't marry a patient as EBD is determined to keep Jo as the delicate one. Perhaps the idea of a boys' school starting up near by could have Joey marrying a male teacher? Or more canonically - keep the school on the island and have her marry Kestor Bellever? :lol:



Oh, heavens no, not Kester Bellever! How about a nice young doctor (Phil Graves) who joins the staff at the San when he comes out of the army after the war. He's seen so much TB among refugees that he wants to join his hero and help to eradicate the Great White Plague! (Jo, being the delicate little flower she is, decides she needs a doctor on hand, but Phil doesn't dose her, he makes her do aerobics and weight training instead).

On the other hand, someone away up the thread suggests Jack should marry Eustacia, which I very much like. When Bob Maynard dies and Jack wants to give up Pretty Maids, Eustacia tells him not to be a wimp and that of course he must take it on. She then establishes it as a study centre (bit like Chawton House is for early female writers) and Jack combines running the estate with being the local GP. He goes down on his knees every night thanking his lucky star that he managed to avoid Joey's determined onslaught on him.

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Con joins a hippy writers' commune in California and has two children called Willow and Rainbow (not sure of the father)?



Totally OT, but one of my colleagues and close friends has just had a baby girl, whom they named Willow Hope. I have no idea where that came from, as she comes from a very conventional family and has always seemed pretty conventional herself. :D

ETA Perhaps I should explain that she is happily married and does not live in a commune!

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On the other hand, someone away up the thread suggests Jack should marry Eustacia, which I very much like. When Bob Maynard dies and Jack wants to give up Pretty Maids, Eustacia tells him not to be a wimp and that of course he must take it on. She then establishes it as a study centre (bit like Chawton House is for early female writers) and Jack combines running the estate with being the local GP. He goes down on his knees every night thanking his lucky star that he managed to avoid Joey's determined onslaught on him.[/quote]

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...He goes down on his knees every night thanking his lucky star that he managed to avoid Joey's determined onslaught on him.


I think you mean, Jo thanks her lucky stars she managed to get rid of all her suitors, as she meant what she said and never wanted to marry. Thanks to the wisely invested money she makes from her writing she manages to buy herself a house when she moves to Wales, and ends up taking a motley crew of evacuees during the war. She eventually adopts several of them and finds herself enjoying the role of foster mother to an ever expanding group of waifs, strays, and long-lost relative (which thanks to the CS are always in heavy supply).

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Nightwing wrote:
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...He goes down on his knees every night thanking his lucky star that he managed to avoid Joey's determined onslaught on him.

I think you mean, Jo thanks her lucky stars she managed to get rid of all her suitors, as she meant what she said and never wanted to marry. Thanks to the wisely invested money she makes from her writing she manages to buy herself a house when she moves to Wales, and ends up taking a motley crew of evacuees during the war. She eventually adopts several of them and finds herself enjoying the role of foster mother to an ever expanding group of waifs, strays, and long-lost relative (which thanks to the CS are always in heavy supply).

And many an evacuated cockney sparrow learned to cast off their lowly roots and speak with such precise received pronunciation that no one would ever have guessed their humble origins...

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And many an evacuated cockney sparrow learned to cast off their lowly roots and speak with such precise received pronunciation that no one would ever have guessed their humble origins...


How else are they all going to marry/become doctors? :roll: :lol:

(Although perhaps one of them could marry the arguably class-conscious Reg, also being of the humble-background-makes-good variety. Or would that only exacerbate his issues?)

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Although Reg wouldn't feature as Jo and Jack wouldn't go to Many Bushes as they wouldn't have married and the poor love would never have become a doctor, but forced to leave school by his aunt/guardian :-)


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Reg would become a doctor anyway, his aunt having been persuaded to allow him to stay on at school by a teacher who recognised that he was a hard-working and intelligent boy, rather than trying to make out that he had somehow "inherited" some kind of inherent doctor-ness from the grandfather he'd never known. He would then marry a girl whose mother admired him for these same attributes, rather than gossiping to her friend and her sister-in-law about whether or not he'd got a "private income".


I always like the idea of Jack marrying Grizel. I'm sure there are hints of a mutual attraction in Exploits, and Grizel's "even Jack Maynard ..." comment in Exile is very telling :wink: . Maybe Juliet could dump Donal, who was never good enough for her anyway, and she, Joey and Robin could all live together in an eternal sisterhood.

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 Post subject: Re: Alternate Chalet School Universe
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One I've always wondered about, since I first read the book many moons ago, is how Eustacia would have played out if the title character was correct in her assessment of her academic ability and she did end up placed in the Sixth Form as she anticipated, rather than in the Fourth for the most part, and the Fifth for her best subjects?

I wonder if it would have been easier or more difficult for her to adjust if she started out with reassurance that she was recognised as exceptional and if her classmates were more mature and perhaps more able to understand how unusual her upbringing was and how huge an upheaval she had had over the last year of her life.



On a slightly related note, with Eustacia and various other new girls who weren't good Chalet School girls - Joyce, Cornelia, Thekla, etc. - how would the School's handling of them have varied if, instead of being fourteen-fifteen, they were considerably younger, say ten or eleven?


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Welcome, Holly! :D

Your suggestion about Eustacia is interesting. I can imagine that she might have got on better in a higher form, even if only because the older girls would be less likely to react so violently to her foibles. Also, there'd probably have been less chance for her to sneak on silly little naughtinesses and put their backs up. Perhaps she would have related more to their idea of humour and fun, as well... Although perhaps not... :D It's definitely an interesting idea.

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Abi wrote:
Welcome, Holly! :D

Your suggestion about Eustacia is interesting. I can imagine that she might have got on better in a higher form, even if only because the older girls would be less likely to react so violently to her foibles. Also, there'd probably have been less chance for her to sneak on silly little naughtinesses and put their backs up. Perhaps she would have related more to their idea of humour and fun, as well... Although perhaps not... :D It's definitely an interesting idea.

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Thanks.

I think that Eustacia's pride took a hit when she found out that she was placed with girls her own age, especially when she was told that she was closer to the standard of the Third Form in some respects. It was also something that she could have taken as an insult to her recently deceased parents, who had directed her education. This has to have soured her opinion of her new classmates so, in the very beginning when they might have been more willing to make an extra effort to be considerate of a newcomer and to try to find ways to include her, she alienated them.

If she was placed in the Sixth Form and, while able to hold her own, wasn't near the top of the class, I could see her being soothed both by the fact that her intelligence is recognised and, perhaps more importantly, by the fact that the Chalet School is accommodating her educational needs. It'd show her that they were willing to bend to accommodate her, so her own sense of honour could demand that she at least make an effort to bend too.

As the class baby by two years, give or take, she might not have been as quick to air opinions that turned other girls against her. It's one thing to be arrogant with her age peers but she might feel differently around the Sixth. I can imagine that it would be difficult to be arrogant as the only fourteen year old in a class of sixteen/seventeen year olds, especially as a new girl.

One thing that could be interesting is how the School would handle her outside class time.

Where bedtime and the like is concerned, fourteen year old Fifth Formers counted as Middles but had a slightly later bedtime, so they could use the same rule for Eustacia, unless a Sixth Former having an earlier bedtime than most of the Fifth Form would be seen as a problem.


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That is certainly a fascinating suggestion. My only concern relates to this point:

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As the class baby by two years, give or take, she might not have been as quick to air opinions that turned other girls against her. It's one thing to be arrogant with her age peers but she might feel differently around the Sixth. I can imagine that it would be difficult to be arrogant as the only fourteen year old in a class of sixteen/seventeen year olds, especially as a new girl.


I honestly don't think Eustacia would have understood the difference in attitudes that would be expected from girls of fourteen to girls of sixteen/seventeen. We see her speaking to her aunt and to mistresses in tones that suggest she doesn't understand that she is expected to accord them any real respect or superiority. If she had been outspoken to more senior girls, it's possible they would simply have turned away/ignored her, which would both leave her alienated and have her in the position where she would not understand what she did wrong and therefore have no idea how to fix it. At least the Fourth form do give her an idea of how to behave, such as in the scene where they are telling her what to wear in the winter.

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I do think the school might have made more effort to accommodate Eustacia. They made special arrangements for musically talented pupils such as Margia, after all. I think one problem was that they didn't have anyone on the staff who was a specialist in Eustacia's subjects and thus able to understand what she needed. Latin was generally taught as a secondary subject by one or other of the Mdlles and I don't think they had anyone who did Classical Greek, or at least not at any level that would have been helpful to Eustacia. Eustacia might not have been genius level, but she was able and committed and Classics was going to be her life's work as much as music was Margia's or writing was Joey's. It's a pity the school didn't recognise that.

But putting her in a higher form would have brought her into closer contact with Joey, which I don't think would have helped.


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I think the families could have tried to find more suitable schools, both for Eustacia and Naomi. Eustacia needed somewhere academic, offering a traditional classical education; and there were plenty of schools offering that for girls in the 1920s. Naomi would have been better off somewhere where there wasn't so much emphasis on physical exercise, which she wasn't able to join in with. Unfortunately, both aunts just seem to have wanted their nieces out of their hair and jumped at any school recommended by friends - Mrs Cochrane in Stacie's case and Dr Chester in Naomi's - rather than looking around for somewhere more suited to the needs of the girls in question :( .

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Yes, at Naomi's age she arguably didn't need to be at school at all, given that she wasn't going in for exams or further education. Wasn't she seventeen? She just needed to board somewhere with some supervision until she was old enough to live independently.


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