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Slightly OT, but I was talking to a friend yesterday whose grandparents were one of 23 and 21 respectively!


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Slightly OT, but I was talking to a friend yesterday whose grandparents were one of 23 and 21 respectively!


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I don't remember there being any twins at all in my primary school (of over 300) but in my year at high school which had about 100 kids there were at least two sets of twins and one of triplets (!)

I'm one of four, and all four of us had a set of twins in our class in school - one fraternal, the rest identical. I remember my littlest sister coming home after her first day in school, saying, "There's two Rhodris in my class and one of them is called Dewi!" I was supposed to be a twin myself, but the other one died during pregnancy.

My mum was in school with a girl whose mother gave birth to triplets - quite unexpectedly, since it was the 50s and there were no scans. I think they suspected twins, possibly, but had no more clue than that. Her husband went to work as normal while she was in hospital, because that's what was done, but on his break he nipped out to the phone box on the street corner to call the hospital and ask how she was. They broke the news that she'd had triplets - and he fainted on the spot, a passer-by found him stretched out cold!

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Oh wow! I don't blame him! I wonder how his wife was feeling having just given birth to three?


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Our next door neighbors had triplets in the 80's and they only found out the week before they were born that they may be having triplets. Husband wandered around in a complete state of shock.

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In my junior school year group (four form entry) there were at least three sets of twins: a fraternal boy pair who hated each other and had to be placed in separate classes, and two identical girl pairs, one pair of whom became very good friends of mine as we were all major bookworms.


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My local newspaper did a story years back about identical quadruplets attending university. They each had one color they usually wore so people could tell them apart. They also had a rule that if one of them was interested in a guy, at least two of the other three had to approve him. I could see the Maynard triplets doing something similar -- Len asking the other two, "So what do you think of Reg?"

I wish instead of just popping out children, EBD had written better kids than the one she did. She could have stopped after Mike and had three girls and three boys. Then Joey could have adopted Marie-Claire earlier and EBD gone into her childhood more as the only adoptee and the only singleton girl. No one to naturally pair off with and always feeling a bit left out with the boys away at school and the triplets unto themselves.

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Audrey25 wrote:

This is very true, Victoria. My dad had a little brother 14 months younger who died on 27 August 1932 from peritonitis just days after his third birthday. Eleven months later my grannie gave birth to another baby boy. Of course, she went on to love this new baby dearly but at the time she just wanted the little boy who had died back. I always thought it a bit sad my dad had two brothers who had never known each other.


I've never thought of it this way, my partner lost a brother when he was 2 and the brother 9mths and he does remember that brother. Sadly it was a rare recessive disease, so there was much prayer from his parents before trying again, they had a healthy son who has just had a healthy daughter. I've thought about it from the perspective of the parents and from the perspective of my partner but never from the perspective of my brother in law. I hope it will be a long time before they meet in heaven as the living brothers are 31 and 35.


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Audrey25 wrote:

I have actually come across very few sets of twins in my life. I have twin uncles and a couple of other very distant relatives have twins.


There were about 80 guests at my wedding, the fingers of two hands (and I do have a normal number) is not enough to count the number of twins present. Some of those were friends where we happened to know one twin and not the other, the rest were my ex's family, both his living grandparents were twins and then it got a bit crazy.

Frankly twins scar the heck out of me, if you have no pregnancy history, then it's a bit higher risk but midwives say not too much with spontaneously conceived non identical twins. Even then, double baby care scares me, so I was anxious to find out it was just one with my first pregnancy. Then none of my pregnancies was straightforward, nor were any of my deliveries. If it happens again anxiety will be the name of the game.


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Carrie A wrote:

However when I started school (in 1963) my class had a set of identical triplets ( does that mean there were originally 4 foetuses and one did not survive?) and three sets of boy/girl twins.


I'll try and explain this. I think the scenario you mention is possible but unlikely.

Identical twins come in many types
seperate placentas about 25% - the safest type
same placenta seperate bags - the commonest type
same placenta same bag of water - 1-2% and very dangerous

When you share a placenta and one dies, the other probably does too, depending on when in pregnancy.

When you get odd numbers of identicals it's usually
embryo A splits into two identical embryos AA1 and AA2
one of those splits into AAA1 and AAA2

Identical quads could be AA1 and AA2 splitting, or one from the nexy branch down splitting.

Years ago I remember looking at a diagram of how the Dionne Quintuplets (identical girls) split, no idea how or when they worked it out, but they used it to explain why some had hair that curled one way and some that curled the other.


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What I really hated was people asking me why I didn't try for a third child, a daughter, after having two boys.

The answer that I snarled at the most persistent was 'because another child would kill me, that's why!'

Then people would tell me that there was no need to be so nasty about it!

Did they not realise how offensive I found their questions?

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Did they not realise how offensive I found their questions?
No, because that would have required intelligence. Sadly, a great many people come out with whatever is floating through their tiny minds at the time - and it would usually have been much better staying there. Sorry to hear you had to put up with this sort of rubbish, Jennie.


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Joey tells Jem that Madge has let the side down by having a third successive daughter rather than a second son, and one of the triplets tells Daisy, who's proudly showing them her second baby boy, that she should have had a girl because she'd already got a son. So rude!

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I don't think people realise just how offensive and bad mannered such personal questions are. Nancy Mitford must have taken some beating though. In the late 1940s her sister, Debo whose husband was then heir to the Duke of Devonshire, suffered a miscarriage after a plane journey. Nancy suggested in a letter to another sister that Debo had done it on purpose. It so happened that Debo had been expecting twins but she lost the second baby months later. She and her husband were then on holiday in France with Nancy and Nancy was then writing back about how terrible Debo looked and how ghastly her dress was. With friends (or sisters) like that... In total Debo lost four babies. Nancy also had at least one miscarriage.


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Did they not realise how offensive I found their questions?
No, because that would have required intelligence. Sadly, a great many people come out with whatever is floating through their tiny minds at the time - and it would usually have been much better staying there. Sorry to hear you had to put up with this sort of rubbish, Jennie.


Something about childbirth brings out the worse in people. It's as though if you don't have one boy and one girl, you're doing something wrong. Doesn't matter if you have two of the same gender, one child or -- horrors! -- no children at all.

Back to twins, were Kathie Ferrars' aunt and mother twins, or Melanie Lucas'?

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Did they not realise how offensive I found their questions?
No, because that would have required intelligence. Sadly, a great many people come out with whatever is floating through their tiny minds at the time - and it would usually have been much better staying there. Sorry to hear you had to put up with this sort of rubbish, Jennie.


Re twins: IIRC both - and Jacynth Harvey's mother and aunt.

I second the comment re tiny minds. If the post-hysterectomy comments hadn't made me so angry (I've no children), I'd have been really upset.

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mynameisdumbnuts wrote:

Something about childbirth brings out the worse in people. It's as though if you don't have one boy and one girl, you're doing something wrong. Doesn't matter if you have two of the same gender, one child or -- horrors! -- no children at all.



Oh yes, I'm with you on this one. Coming up to full term with Child Two (my first was a girl), I heard my MIL saying to her sister in law "we're all hoping for a boy this time". Turns out that Child Two was another girl :P FIL seems perfectly happy, but MIL always says things like "you should have had a boy". I may have made a sight enemy out of her by pointing out that she needs to point that out to her son, as basic biology states that the gender of a child comes from the sperm and not the egg......


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Carrie A wrote:

However when I started school (in 1963) my class had a set of identical triplets ( does that mean there were originally 4 foetuses and one did not survive?) and three sets of boy/girl twins.


I'll try and explain this. I think the scenario you mention is possible but unlikely.

Identical twins come in many types
seperate placentas about 25% - the safest type
same placenta seperate bags - the commonest type
same placenta same bag of water - 1-2% and very dangerous

When you share a placenta and one dies, the other probably does too, depending on when in pregnancy.

When you get odd numbers of identicals it's usually
embryo A splits into two identical embryos AA1 and AA2
one of those splits into AAA1 and AAA2

Identical quads could be AA1 and AA2 splitting, or one from the nexy branch down splitting.

Years ago I remember looking at a diagram of how the Dionne Quintuplets (identical girls) split, no idea how or when they worked it out, but they used it to explain why some had hair that curled one way and some that curled the other.


Thank you - I've always wondered!

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Re comments made about pregnancy one of the worst was after my sister Linda died at age 5 from leukaemia. A year later mum fell pregnant again and tells me she lost count of the number of people who asked if she wanted a girl to replace Linda. And even asked if a girl was born would they name her Linda. Luckily for all concerned by brother David was born.

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