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 Post subject: Re: Books: The Head Girl of the Chalet School
PostPosted: 20 Feb 2017, 21:04 
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I like Grizel too in these early books and it always annoyed me and intrigued me why she came back to teach. I am sure at one point she states emphatically that she doesn't want to teach. What happened in Florence to send her back to the School?

I also think Madge knows a lot about the Cochrane background and makes allowances. Also doesn't she consider Grizel as Prefect material from the first but she is too young?


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PostPosted: 21 Feb 2017, 14:30 
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I think the main reason Grizel is mentioned as a possible HG is because she's the oldest English girl.

I can see her coming back - especially when it's just to the Annexe. For one thing she was happier at the CS than anywhere else; for another, her father and stepmother won't allow her to take any job other than music teaching, seemingly. If she has to do that she may as well do it at the CS. And she certainly would want to 'be at home'.


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I don't know what else Grizel would have done. I think she wanted to come back to the Tiernsee because Madge and Joey were more like family to her than her father and stepmother were, and most of her other friends (Gisela, Juliet, Gertrud, Rosalie) were there too. She wasn't good enough to become a professional musician and, without training, there wasn't much else she could have done besides teach music. She had the language skills, but she wouldn't have got a good office job without learning shorthand and typing. Even if she'd considered "working-class" jobs like factory work or shop work, they probably wouldn't have taken her, because other girls of her age would have had five years' practical experience by then. And none of those other jobs would have come with accommodation included.

I'm struggling to think of any CS girl in the Tyrol years, other than Rosalie and the musical genius type people (and Jo, but hers wasn't a job needed to support herself), who took a job doing anything other than teaching. Stacie, I suppose, but maybe she classes alongside Margia and Jo as someone with a particular talent.

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 Post subject: Re: Books: The Head Girl of the Chalet School
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I think it was very kind of Madge to offer her a job at the Annexe as they can't have really needed a music teacher. It would have been easy to employ people locally for piano lessons for under twelves, but it gives Grizel a home and a niche with old friends. In Taverton she would have probably led a dull life being a companion to her stepmother and no doubt required to play at various social functions.


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I am not so sure that it would have been easy to employ a local piano teacher up on the Sonnalpe. I have always imagined that there were very few houses up there, and that those that were there were mainly occupied by doctors from the san - which might have been quite small at that point.

I don't think it was like the Platz in Switzerland at all....what do others think?

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 Post subject: Re: Books: The Head Girl of the Chalet School
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I wondered if some of the residents, old girls etc would be roped in. They have no teachers besides Juliet who is not trained for general Junior teaching so I find it hard to imagine how they managed. Madge is supposed to help out but it would be very little with her ever-increasing household.


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PostPosted: 21 Feb 2017, 23:09 
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I am not so sure that it would have been easy to employ a local piano teacher up on the Sonnalpe. I have always imagined that there were very few houses up there, and that those that were there were mainly occupied by doctors from the san - which might have been quite small at that point.

I don't think it was like the Platz in Switzerland at all....what do others think?
I don't know - I'm not sure the Platz isn't more isolated, somehow - unless that's just the impression the later books give. Certainly in School at, Madge says of even the main school she's planning "Music [teaching] we could get in Innsbruck" as though she didn't reasonably expect to find anything of the sort in the immediate area - admittedly it's five years since she was there, but at least it's not totally unknown to her.

I suppose in CS land by that point there might conveniently have been a music teacher whose spouse or some other family member was a patient at the San, or was a recovered patient who had been advised to stay in the mountains!


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Mlle Lepattre taught piano at the main school in the early days, so I don't think they'd have been all that bothered about having a specialist teacher, but there's never any mention of Juliet having any sort of musical ability and I also get the impression that very few people lived on the Sonnalpe other than the San staff and their families. Once the road was built, it would have been easy enough for someone to come up a couple of times a week, but in the early days that wouldn't have been an option.

The original idea was for Gertrud to work at the Annexe as well, but that seemed to be forgotten about ... or maybe she just packed the idea in once Herr Doktor Ronschlar came on the scene. Madge was supposed to be going to teach there but she was already expecting Sybil by the time the Annexe opened ... but Juliet, Grizel and Gertrud between them could probably have managed. Is there ever any mention of Gertrud working there?

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Alison H wrote:
The original idea was for Gertrud to work at the Annexe as well, but that seemed to be forgotten about ... or maybe she just packed the idea in once Herr Doktor Ronschlar came on the scene. Madge was supposed to be going to teach there but she was already expecting Sybil by the time the Annexe opened ... but Juliet, Grizel and Gertrud between them could probably have managed. Is there ever any mention of Gertrud working there?
Not that I know of, and there isn't any mention of her wedding until New House, when it's said to be going to happen in June...


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Alison H wrote:
I'm struggling to think of any CS girl in the Tyrol years, other than Rosalie and the musical genius type people (and Jo, but hers wasn't a job needed to support herself), who took a job doing anything other than teaching. Stacie, I suppose, but maybe she classes alongside Margia and Jo as someone with a particular talent.


Luigia de Ferrara (sp?) becomes a nun, but I guess that's not really a job.

But yes, most of the girls in the Tyrol years go home to wait it out before marrying (that sounds terrible, but I hope you all know what I mean!)

It's nice to see EBD expands her world view later on and the girls talk about a variety of professions they are interested in pursuing but she still sticks to her guns about marriage being the job ender.

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 Post subject: Re: Books: The Head Girl of the Chalet School
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I don't think it was EBD particularly - just that there weren't that many job opportunities for women then. I don't think either Juliet or Simone chose to be teachers because they thought it was their ideal job, more because it was the default option. The same with Madge - she considered that her only options were either starting her own school or looking for a teaching job in an existing school. Nursing or secretarial work would probably have been the main alternatives, but I can't imagine Grizel being a nurse, and she didn't have any secretarial skills.

I always wonder why we never get any CS Old Girls turning up as nurses at the San, though, because nursing becomes a more popular option later on.

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PostPosted: 22 Feb 2017, 14:27 
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Yes, EBD missed a trick there! I wonder why?

I suppose besides teach music Grizel would be helping out with supervision and probably basic lessons too. Teaching at the Annexe would have been much more varied than being the dedicated music teacher in the later huge CS. I think Grizel would prefer being at the Annexe to teaching in any other school, because she's be close to Madge et al. She definitely wouldn't want to go to Taverton.

I think the Sonnalpe is much more isolated than the Platz at first - until a sort of community grows around the San. Then in the later Tyrol books you hear about hotels and all sorts.


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Alison H wrote:
I always wonder why we never get any CS Old Girls turning up as nurses at the San, though, because nursing becomes a more popular option later on.


One of them does want to be a nurse and Joey decides to mention her to Jack. And then we never hear about it again.

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The one I'm disappointed not to hear any more of is Dorothy Brentham, the doctor's daughter who wants to be a surgeon (Goes to It) - and three of her contemporaries want to be nurses.


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Alison H wrote:
I'm struggling to think of any CS girl in the Tyrol years, other than Rosalie and the musical genius type people (and Jo, but hers wasn't a job needed to support herself), who took a job doing anything other than teaching. Stacie, I suppose, but maybe she classes alongside Margia and Jo as someone with a particular talent.


In "Jo to the Rescue," doesn't Jo mention a musical girl who met Nicholas Wyndhurst or heard him play or something? And it isn't Margia?

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Alison H wrote:
I'm struggling to think of any CS girl in the Tyrol years, other than Rosalie and the musical genius type people (and Jo, but hers wasn't a job needed to support herself), who took a job doing anything other than teaching. Stacie, I suppose, but maybe she classes alongside Margia and Jo as someone with a particular talent.


In "Jo to the Rescue," doesn't Jo mention a musical girl who met Nicholas Wyndhurst or heard him play or something? And it isn't Margia?


She mentions Vanna di Ricci as a professional soprano who, I think, was also performing at one of his concerts. I think this is an EBDism, though, because after leaving school Vanna was going to take care of an invalid mother, and Carla von Flugen was the one going to study singing.

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PostPosted: 26 Feb 2017, 01:08 
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To something totally different, during the visit to Salzburg, Joey etc visit the garden created for Salome Alt who was the Archbishop's "very good friend". What I now know as a euphemism for "mistress".

I remember being very upset and disappointed when I found out what that really meant. To my innocent childhood mind, I wanted her them to just be good friends! :lol:

And Corney Flower's punishment of being sent to bed sounded ideal to me. I would have loved an afternoon nap as a kid. And even now.

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