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 Post subject: Re: Joan Baker/Rosamund/Triplets/Problem
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Mabel wrote:
I (shameless plug here) wrote a brief article on this for FOCS magazine a few editions ago. My conclusion was that EBD suddenly got cold feet about her ability to keep the series going/Chambers willingness to publish it for long enough to give Len her year as head girl. Rosamund had been given her reward, because EBD always liked her, but if she did her full term, and if EBD expired/Chambers pulled the plug, then Len might never get to be head girl.


Haha, I like this idea!

Although, as Audrey points out, it is weird EBD didn't make more of a splash about Len becoming HG - maybe she felt guilty cos she knew she'd done the dirty on Ros :(


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 Post subject: Re: Joan Baker/Rosamund/Triplets/Problem
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It is interesting that in the books where the triplets are prefects, there's actually very little story time spent on the prefects as a group. For example, in earlier books, we usually find out which prefect does which job, often via depiction of a prefects meeting, or references through the text. The last year of the series in particular, we get almost no information outside the Big Three, which we get in detail, and Con is appointed magazine prefect instead of elected by her peers, the way it was normally done.

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 Post subject: Re: Joan Baker/Rosamund/Triplets/Problem
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It would have been very interesting to see Len chairing a meeting with girls like Betty, Alicia, Heather and Ricki, who were older than her (and the CS usually puts a lot of emphasis on age) and arguably had stronger personalities. I think most of them left at the end of Summer Term, but they were certainly still there when Len first became HG.

The original leader of all that gang was Jo Scott, but she was removed from the scene before she could become HG.

Mabel, that makes a lot of sense :D . But poor Ros still deserved a proper exit storyline! (Maybe Joey ran her over with the minibus so that Len could become HG.) Yseult, Emerence and Josette all left suddenly as well, but explanations were given.

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 Post subject: Re: Joan Baker/Rosamund/Triplets/Problem
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Ros and Jo Scott both just vanish!

Len is liked and respected by her peers so I can't see her having much trouble with them. She's also not the first HG to be younger than most of her fellow prefects. But it is weird that we don't see more of the prefects at this time - although just as well as we'd probably just have continual repetitions of Len is responsible/Margot is bad/Con is a dreamer, and everyone else in the background. I think EBD is most comofrtable writing about Middle aged girls. Maybe that's why she stuck with this age group in the later books.

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It is interesting that in the books where the triplets are prefects, there's actually very little story time spent on the prefects as a group. For example, in earlier books, we usually find out which prefect does which job, often via depiction of a prefects meeting, or references through the text. The last year of the series in particular, we get almost no information outside the Big Three, which we get in detail, and Con is appointed magazine prefect instead of elected by her peers, the way it was normally done.


We do see this happen occasionally. I think it is Kathie Robertson who gets chosen by the staff to be the 'kids special'. Actually in the case of magazine editor I think it makes much more sense for it to be a staff appointment than an elected one (with the girl being elected because her father is a journalist, half the time :roll: )


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jennifer wrote:
It is interesting that in the books where the triplets are prefects, there's actually very little story time spent on the prefects as a group. For example, in earlier books, we usually find out which prefect does which job, often via depiction of a prefects meeting, or references through the text. The last year of the series in particular, we get almost no information outside the Big Three, which we get in detail, and Con is appointed magazine prefect instead of elected by her peers, the way it was normally done.


I always wondered how and why the staff would intervene to choose the girl. And wouldn't that be seen as favouritism?

And while I can see why they gave it to Con to help her be more assertive, what happens if another prefect says they want the job as well?

Is there an awkward silence at the first prefects meeting as Len explains it's been given to her sister. Not to mention the owner's niece. And Mrs Maynard's daughter ...

And given that there were almost 20 prefects by Len's day, the voting and allocation of jobs would go on forever. :D

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 Post subject: Re: Joan Baker/Rosamund/Triplets/Problem
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IIRC, it was Frances Coleman who was chosen as Juniors' prefect. It was just a plot device to give Eilunedd an excuse to moan that there hadn't been a proper vote and try to make out that Peggy was being dictatorial, but the idea was that Frances was good with the younger kids.

Con was the obvious choice for magazine prefect and would probably have been elected anyway, but I think EBD wanted it to seem that she was equal with Len and Margot, who'd both been chosen for particular jobs, rather than just being one of the common herd.

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Con was the obvious choice for magazine prefect and would probably have been elected anyway, but I think EBD wanted it to seem that she was equal with Len and Margot, who'd both been chosen for particular jobs, rather than just being one of the common herd.


Yes, the occasions when the staff intervenes there are good reasons given for it. But it is done so randomly as if they are not sure the prefects would be able to sort out that job for themselves.

With Con, HG and sport prefect are both head appointments and have been from the beginning of the school along with second prefect. But giving Con the magazine editor job comes out of nowhere.

Given how careful Miss Annersley was about not appointing Bride to HG in case it was seen as favouritism, it seems odd it doesn't occur to her this time.

And given this was the CS, only someone like Deirdre (!) would have said "I would really have liked a shot at that job and it's just been handed to Con on a silver platter."

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I've always found it a little odd that just because someone loves reading and writing they are the "obvious" choice for magazine editor/prefect. Wouldn't being an editor involve a lot of hard work and organising and nagging people for submissions? Not sure that really sounds like dreamy Con's cup of tea.
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Maybe that's why they make Con take on the job, to force her to be a bit more grounded?

Do we ever see a girl being bitter because she hasn't been made Games Pre? I'd have thought if anything that would actually be a more popular job than HG.


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RubyGates wrote:
I've always found it a little odd that just because someone loves reading and writing they are the "obvious" choice for magazine editor/prefect. Wouldn't being an editor involve a lot of hard work and organising and nagging people for submissions?


Having been a real editor, not a school mag editor, yes a lot of organising and chasing people up is required - and I was chasing up people who's job it was to write for the mag. And you also need a LOT of tact if you want the author to change or rewrite something.

And yes, apparently it was given to Con to help her be more 'wide awake'.

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