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 Post subject: Re: Books: The Mystery at the Chalet School
PostPosted: 04 Jun 2017, 08:42 
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But yes, you would have missed out if you didn't buy them. However, the CS was published over nearly 50 years, in the days before the internet and before us adult fans, would many people have the whole series? The original fans were probably be used to gaps.
Yes, I saw relatively few CS books available to buy new in my childhood/ teenage years, and buying second-hand copies was much more hit-and-miss in pre-internet days. ISTR that I had just over half of them, some in paperback, plus one of the annuals, by 1981, when we moved to our present house. As for the La Rochelle books and the stand-alones, I'd resigned myself to never coming across them!


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GGB did publish a book "Elinor M Brent Dyer's Short Stories" which is exactly what it says - all the known short stories and writings (including poetry) of EBD. It contains the CS short stories published in the annuals. It does not contain those stories (ie Rosalie, Tom and Mystery) that were republished in book editions

It is out-of-print but may be easier to acquire than the annuals


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I had to wait until GGB before reading most of the La Rochelle books, but born in 1953 I did complete the whole CS series with books bought as brand new (apart from one bought second-hand in a school sale) either Chambers or Armada, in the days before internet, second-hand etc.

For younger collectors though this was probably not possible. I started reading the series about 1963 and a few books were still to be published, Armada was not to start issuing paperbacks for a few years. Chambers were also still re-publishing older books as well as the new ones. I was able to buy books such as Princess, Eustacia, Highland Twins etc as brand new hardbacks.

Good as it has been re-reading the books as an adult, what I am most pleased about is that I did read most of them for the first time as a child, with a child's understanding of a book meant for a child. That can never be replicated by those first coming to the books as adults.


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I and my sister first read them in the 1960s. We relied on getting them from the library, so we read them in quite a random order, taking whichever one the library had each week. There were some early ones the library didn't seem to have, or at least I never saw them - Jo Of and Princess I recall being two - so we didn't get to read those until the Armadas started coming out.

And yes, each Christmas we each used to get the annual for whichever weekly comic we read - Judy for me, Bunty for her, then I moved on to School Friend.

Our mother, born 1929, says she wasn't aware of the CS at all when she was growing up, although she did read Dimsie and Angela Brazil.


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I was born in 1942 and acquired my first CS book before I was eleven, that was Island which I swapped with a school friend from primary school. I can date it because I never saw her again after we left that school. Island was published in 1950 so I must have got it fairly soon thereafter.

From then on I was given all the previously published books in rapid succession, so they must all have still been in print, and then I acquired the rest as they were published until I stopped buying them in around 1958. So all the latter ones I got as an adult, usually in the Armada versions.

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I had to wait until GGB before reading most of the La Rochelle books,


Oh heaven bless GGBP. Even though I was fortunate enough to have the cash to shell out for the books at secondhand stores, the sheer unavailability of them was a major issue.

They not only made these rare books available but at much more reasonable prices that didn't have me cringing at my monthly credit card bill. I've got basically every single thing they published :D

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I think we are taking about that kind of favour. The small, not valuable things given as party game prizes. It's an accepted and public form of courting.


I'm inclined to think the same, but it could also be simply that he paid her a lot of attention.

I don't think we'll ever fully resolve what EBD meant by 'favours' but either way the overall situation is a bit wrong.

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I think that's the idea. EBD doesn't seem to have approved of film producers, and I think we're supposed to agree with Dorcas that the whole set-up is inappropriate, especially for so young a girl as Eunice.

The only other time we meet film producers is in School At, when one of them persuades Juliet & co to go against Madge's express instructions. He even goes on about them posing in their uniforms, and going swimming, which I don't think is meant to sound the way it sounds today but sounds rather ick even so. She really doesn't seem to have approved of the cinema.

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Over the series, I do get the impression that EBD Did Not Approve of a lot of popular culture - movies, jazz music, beatniks, etc. That's part of what makes Mystery an interesting interlude - I think the only other place where we hear of characters going to the movies is in Three Go, where Peter Young takes Clem and Mary-Lou to see Black Beauty, and in Monica Turns Up Trumps, where they go see Little Women.

I have actually met men who were quite proud of the male attention their pretty teenage daughters attracted, and yes, it was pretty icky. I don't think they would actually have been happy to have their 15 year old be involved with a 30 year old man, or had thought about it from their daughter's perspective (or any woman's perspective, really). Just that in their mind, male attention due to being attractive was definitely a very good thing, and they were basking in the reflected glory.

On the book collection front - in sci-fi and fantasy it's pretty common for authors to publish the occasional short story in the same universe as their novel series, and those can be really hard to track down, unless they're neatly packaged in an anthology later.

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Although Elinor might not have approved of films, she does appear to have been in favour of the theatre at any rate. About the time she wrote Gerry, she wrote a play for a local theatre company and Gerry was actually written for the child actress Hazel Bainbridge. Then, of course, there are all the school plays and pantos she wrote...

I wonder what kind of child acting Hazel Bainbridge did? I doubt if it was screen acting in the 1920s. Did EBD secretly disapprove of her acting? It seems EBD could have approved of any live performing - including music and singing - but was not so keen on screen which would have been quite new at that time.

I would have said though EBD was quite a theatrical person herself with her larger than life personality and even changing her name at one point to one much fancier. I did read somewhere else she was shy so it all could have been a cover up to hide her shyness.

The one part of School At which jars with me is the cinema episode. I just think its boring and does not fit in with the story. For some reason, too, I did not like Juliet even in the later books where she was fine. I don't see her appeal!


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I agree Audrey, I have never liked Juliet though I can't put my finger on quite why.

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I agree Audrey, I have never liked Juliet though I can't put my finger on quite why.


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I agree Audrey, I have never liked Juliet though I can't put my finger on quite why.


She just changes too quickly and becomes massively goody goody overnight.

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I'll defend Juliet! She's one of my favourite characters, and like Grizel has such an unhappy, unstable family life that I can understand why she is so disruptive at first. Once Madge shows her true kindness she is only too ready to help her in return, and it is the making of her.

The only thing I regret is that she falls for that weakling Donal and doesn't tell him to get lost.

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I'll defend Juliet! She's one of my favourite characters, and like Grizel has such an unhappy, unstable family life that I can understand why she is so disruptive at first. Once Madge shows her true kindness she is only too ready to help her in return, and it is the making of her.

The only thing I regret is that she falls for that weakling Donal and doesn't tell him to get lost.


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I think Jo's intervention there was another example of her immaturity. A woman with more life experience would have (a) thought that Juliet was probably better off without the O'Haras in her life and (b) minded her own business.


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I think it shows what a wuss Donal is. He dumps Juliet because his sister tells him to, then asks her to get back with him because her 17-year-old friend tells him to. I really wish Juliet had told him where to go. She deserved better.

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Cannot work out why I am not keen on her. I am not a great Grizel fan either but maybe it's because Juliet gets taken into the Bettany family in a way that much older friend Grizel does not. Juliet though does become a more attractive character than Grizel.

I don't like either the bit in one of the books where it mentions that the girls all become slaves to Juliet or words to that effect.

Just a recent thing. I didn't take much heed of her before. Interesting everyone's views. Good job we are not all the same!


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I think Jo's intervention there was another example of her immaturity. A woman with more life experience would have (a) thought that Juliet was probably better off without the O'Haras in her life and (b) minded her own business.


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Yes, it's an excellent example of young Joey. She's not a butter-in in general, but is when it's someone she cares about she's inclined to leap in impulsively, based solely on her emotions. Another example would be her reaction to anyone who didn't adore the Robin - it's well meant, but also emotional and impulsive. She doesn't have the maturity to realize that fawning over a nine year old, no matter how cute they are, is not really something you can reasonably expect from a teenager (or even an adult).

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She doesn't have the maturity to realize that fawning over a nine year old, no matter how cute they are, is not really something you can reasonably expect from a teenager (or even an adult).

Most nine year olds - Daisy or Mary Lou, for example -
wouldn't tolerate it either. If Robin was less sweet tempered and biddable, she'd probably have rebelled against all the fussing at some point.


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Another example would be her reaction to anyone who didn't adore the Robin - it's well meant, but also emotional and impulsive. She doesn't have the maturity to realize that fawning over a nine year old, no matter how cute they are, is not really something you can reasonably expect from a teenager (or even an adult).


And Madge tells her off for it as well! Some people are just not the baby fawning type. I am much more likely to play with and want to hug a friend's pets than the children.

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Cannot work out why I am not keen on her.


To me, it's the way she reforms and becomes boring! Other people like Cornelia reform but stay interesting and fun.

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