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 Post subject: Re: Books: The Wrong Chalet School
PostPosted: 23 Jul 2017, 21:13 
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I've found that to get decent service nowadays you have to go into your local bank branch and make an appointment to see someone. That's what I did when I had been trying for some time to set up on-line banking and it didn't work, and they did it for me in ten minutes!

I also find if I try to ring my phone provider, I get nowhere fast (some of their people don't speak much English, and get a bit lost if you go off-script), but in-branch, I usually get someone (not always - there was one ghastly man who kept trying to tell me that if I used WiFi I wouldn't need so much data when travelling; I complained about him afterwards) who knows what they are talking about.

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I won't write an essay about this, but I think the younger brothers of Jennifer Capriati and Mary Pierce, to name but two, have got plenty to say about what happens when a family decides to prioritise one child's sporting ability over the interests of everyone else


For a fictional example, just look at the younger brother and sisters in Streatfield's "Apple Bough", who get very fed up of being carted around all over in the wake of their ultra-talented brother.


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For a fictional example, just look at the younger brother and sisters in Streatfield's "Apple Bough", who get very fed up of being carted around all over in the wake of their ultra-talented brother.


I was about to mention Apple Bough! It's very realistically written.

I have a friend who was left to live with her grandparents when the parents travelled round the world with her talented violinist brother.

Years later, and she's still much closer to the grandparents than her parents. Tellingly, even when her brother is playing in the city she lives in now, she won't go listen to him. She told me bluntly she had enough listening to him when she was younger.

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Yes it is EBD - think it's in Wrong CS. She also has tennis scoring a bit odd - a couple winning by 8 games to 5 I think - but scoring might have changed since her day?


Actually in Wrong, she gets it ... right :D She has the first and second cricket teams playing two different schools in one day. One team wins by 27 runs while the other one loses by 1 run. And that technically could happen.

What I was remembering was in Changes when she says this:

"On the Saturday, the First Eleven defeated Dumbarton House, a much smaller boarding school from the mainland, by twenty-seven runs and five wickets."

That's simply impossible unless they played two games in one day.

Bit of karma for EBD after she made fun of Ouida's rowing knowledge!

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Joyce wrote:

What I was remembering was in Changes when she says this:

"On the Saturday, the First Eleven defeated Dumbarton House, a much smaller boarding school from the mainland, by twenty-seven runs and five wickets."

That's simply impossible unless they played two games in one day.



Or maybe she had invented limited overs cricket years in advance. Although you don't ever describe the score like that, it's possible - side batting first scores 227 for 5 in their allocated overs and side batting second is all out for 200. So one team has scored 27 more runs and lost 5 fewer wickets than the other.


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PostPosted: 25 Jul 2017, 08:03 
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Joyce wrote:

What I was remembering was in Changes when she says this:

"On the Saturday, the First Eleven defeated Dumbarton House, a much smaller boarding school from the mainland, by twenty-seven runs and five wickets."

That's simply impossible unless they played two games in one day.



Or maybe she had invented limited overs cricket years in advance. Although you don't ever describe the score like that, it's possible - side batting first scores 227 for 5 in their allocated overs and side batting second is all out for 200. So one team has scored 27 more runs and lost 5 fewer wickets than the other.


But even in a limited over or T20 game, you still either win by XX runs or XX wickets not both.

I understand the scenario you are describing. But the side batting first would be assumed to have used up all their wickets at the end of their innings. So they have won by 27 runs, regardless of how many wickets they did or didn't lose.

Whereas had they batted second and reached the target of 227 with only five wickets down, then they have won by five wickets.

So either they have changed the way you announce the scores in cricket since EBD's day or (far more likely) she didn't understand how scoring in cricket is done and got confused. And every subsequent editor did not understand cricket either!

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PostPosted: 25 Jul 2017, 09:04 
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I would assume that EBD didn't understand cricket scoring and had just heard mention of winning by X runs or X wickets and didn't realise that it was one or the other :lol: .

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...and I think children's fiction (and indeed the adult equivalent) at that date were usually edited for spelling and punctuation, nothing more.


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PostPosted: 25 Jul 2017, 10:00 
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I would assume that EBD didn't understand cricket scoring and had just heard mention of winning by X runs or X wickets and didn't realise that it was one or the other :lol: .


:lol: But she got the scoring right in Wrong so she should have just stayed with that formula of winning by XX runs and not bothered with wickets.

To be fair to her, it's not easy to understand cricket scoring and I bore people silly with charts and diagrams in my efforts to explain it!

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Despite the fact that I was playing cricket and even scoring, at the time I read the book, I can't say the statement ever bothered me. I just thought she meant that they had won by 27 runs and that they still had 5 wickets standing...

And we did often play matches not limited by the number of overs, but by the time allocated for each innings.

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Re-reading the book (hardback version for the first time) I was surprised that the book Jennifer etc were reading was Gone With the Wind. Was it really so shocking? I've never read it/watched the film and am slightly in the dark.


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And we did often play matches not limited by the number of overs, but by the time allocated for each innings.


But at the end of the innings all your wickets are gone. It doesn't matter if you lost 1 wicket or nine wickets within the time allotted, at the end of your innings, it's assumed you're all out.

The scenario EBD sets up is untenable. Let's say the first team sets a target of 227 and loses five wickets. The second team then meets the target of 227 but loses eight wickets. So the second team has won by 2 wickets.

However, under EBD's rules, the first team could say they won by three wickets. It makes no sense.

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Re-reading the book (hardback version for the first time) I was surprised that the book Jennifer etc were reading was Gone With the Wind. Was it really so shocking? I've never read it/watched the film and am slightly in the dark.


When I was doing GCSE English, in the mid 90s we had to compare two books and I actually compared Gone With The Wind (with Rebecca), on the advice of my English teacher. I wonder when attitudes changed so it was considered respectable literature, rather than scandalous?

The book title changed in the paperback - I wonder whether the Lady Chatterley trial made a difference to how literature was perceived. I know my Mum studied Lady Chatterley for A'Level less than a decade after the trial, which seems quite quick for attitudes to change for it to go from 'banned' to 'recommended reading.' (She found it disappointingly dull though and still had to hide it from her Dad her home)!


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It's Forever Amber in the paperback I think


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No, it's not the same thing. An innings and xx runs means the losers were all out twice, in two innings, while the winners only batted once and got enough runs not to need a second innings. The score Elinor gives is just wrong according to official rules of scoring.


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No, it's not the same thing. An innings and xx runs means the losers were all out twice, in two innings, while the winners only batted once and got enough runs not to need a second innings. The score Elinor gives is just wrong according to official rules of scoring.


I am so glad someone else here understands the vagaries of cricket scoring! :D

I guess the reason the wrong score gets to me is because EBD makes such a big deal of cricket.

She has it as one of the foundation games with Grizel being such a massive fan, and then some of her best characters (Tom, Bride, Daisy) are good players. She even has long conversations with the Games Prefect discussing who to put on the teams, so she clearly had some basic knowledge of the game.

But she seems to drop it when they get to Switzerland. They definitely continue to play tennis and lacrosse is revived, but do they continue to play cricket?

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They do indeed. They're very pleased when Doris Hill finally leaves Carnbach to come to Switzerland, because she's an excellent cricketer. And a meteorite lands on the cricket pitch in one of the books - is it Summer Term or Althea?

The Armishire and St Briavel's books see the school playing regular matches against teams from other schools, but who do they play in Switzerland? There's the match in Wins the Trick, when the gang ruin the food, and I think there's one mention of going to play a school in Lausanne, but that's about it. There isn't even any mention of inter-house matches, which would have been the logical thing to try.

I think the CS is generally much more like a standard fictional boarding school in the British years - which is inevitable, because it hasn't got that USP of being in the Alps. Midnight feasts, sports matches, etc, are all standard Daisy Pulls It Off type stuff, and the buried treasure thing is very Enid Blyton. It must have been quite frustrating for EBD: she'd started talking back in Three Go about moving back to Tyrol, but the political situation didn't allow it. I wonder when she decided on Switzerland.

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I am sure it says somewhere that the girls play cricket against a team got up by a British worker - Mr Embury? And it says he would 'scorn' to play against girls but has few other options. It must be in one of the later books set in Switzerland, because I rarely read them.


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Yes, I remember that. I'm sure his works team were delighted :lol: .

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Alison H wrote:
The Armishire and St Briavel's books see the school playing regular matches against teams from other schools, but who do they play in Switzerland?


The Swiss schools would play tennis, but probably not cricket. Though I could be wrong, they might love the game :D

I guess they could play against the Millies and St Hilda's. But yes, form matches don't really seem to be a thing for them. There is the odd mention of form cricket teams, but we don't see a school tournament or anything, which is a pity.

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I am sure it says somewhere that the girls play cricket against a team got up by a British worker - Mr Embury? And it says he would 'scorn' to play against girls but has few other options. It must be in one of the later books set in Switzerland, because I rarely read them.


I can't remember the book either! But in Two Sams, a new school opens on the banks of Lake Thun and they play cricket and hockey etc against the CS girls.

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Joyce wrote:
I am so glad someone else here understands the vagaries of cricket scoring! :D

I guess the reason the wrong score gets to me is because EBD makes such a big deal of cricket.


I played cricket for about ten years as an adult (including captaining sides), passed my umpire's exam several times and scored regularly for about another ten years when I had to stop playing.


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