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PostPosted: 06 Sep 2017, 09:44 
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I'm a parent, and I agree with what was said above. My 10-year old son has had various ups and downs at school, but I only hear about them from him. A parent is only involved if an incident is serious enough to go in the log book. My view is that as I wasn't there and the teachers are in charge, it is up to them to set out the rules and expected behaviour and then enforce it. I certainly agree that a second telling-off and punishment at home at the end of the day will just make the situation worse. It would be seen by the child as unfair, and nothing is more likely to end up in sulks and resentment.

From what I have heard, the system at school works well. In fact, the stricter the teacher on what she expects from her class, the more they seem to like her!

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The triplets could have easily stayed at the school in England for an extra year - they'd have Madge and Jem and Dick and Mollie to keep an eye on them, and unlike Stephen they'd be in a familiar setting. Having getting them to and from Switzerland in the holidays would be an added complication, but they're already doing that with Stephen. Or Joey could have stayed in England for a year, or part of a year, while Jack handled the San setup.

But yes, their education is all messed up. In Three Go, they're in Lower Second. That would put them in Lower Third when they return from Canada, and Upper Third the following year. And in Canada, they'd have been studying a different curriculum, so they'd likely be behind on some things, and ahead on others. But Len is put into Upper Fourth when they return, three full forms higher, and even Lazy Margot has jumped a form. Then Len is demoted the next year, to L4, Con is kept in the same form, and Margot promoted. Later, the school has to invent a whole new form for them, because no-one did the math to notice they were going to end up in Lower Fifth at age twelve.

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I agree that letting them go to Switzerland at ten is ludicrous but I wonder at EBD making that rule about under twelve. Eleven or eleven that academic year would be more logical as that is the age that children move to High/Secondary then and now. The triplets are 11 in the November of that first term at the Platz.
I'm not sure that the triplets would have been in Lower Second in Three Go as ML three years older is in Upper Second. I think they were in one of the first forms, the Kindergarten being quite separate.


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I see Margot and Emerence's misbehaviour as more serious than just a bit of messing about. Emerence is fourteen. That's more than old enough to know how to behave in public. Even Margot at eleven should know better than to misbehave when out and about in school uniform. It's worse in that the reason they're all standing around is that one of the girls has suffered quite a nasty injury. The expectation in the circumstances must be that they wait quietly until someone tells them what to do.

(I was once knocked flying by one of two boys of about eleven who were playing a game that involved a lot of charging about in a pedestrian shopping street. I'd tried to avoid them, but he ran into me from behind. I got away with a bruised knee, having fallen full length on the ground. An elderly person could have been quite seriously hurt. So I have no patience or sympathy with this sort of behaviour. :evil: )


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I'm not sure that we ever behaved very well on school trips :lol:, but the fact that other people do something as well doesn't make it right - and you can imagine the remarks if one of the Chalet School party had been knocked over by kids from another school running around chasing each other in a busy area of a city centre.

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I don't know why, but I get the impression Sue Meadows was a 'poor' relation and that her education was her reward for staying with Leila.

I don't think it is something I would like to have done or asked anyone else to do but I don't suppose people know unless they are in the same position.


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I don't know why, but I get the impression Sue Meadows was a 'poor' relation and that her education was her reward for staying with Leila.


It's not much of a reward, though, is it? Sue misses lessons due to bad weather, she doesn't get to join in any extra-curricular activities, she doesn't get to make friends or spend her free time with girls her own age.

If she was at a day school, she's of an age to be going round to friends' houses, or the shops or library or whatever, after school or on Saturdays. She misses out on all of that, and I don't think the teaching at the CS is that much better than she'd get at a grammar school, that it makes up for everything else.


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JayB wrote:
I see Margot and Emerence's misbehaviour as more serious than just a bit of messing about. Emerence is fourteen. That's more than old enough to know how to behave in public. Even Margot at eleven should know better than to misbehave when out and about in school uniform. It's worse in that the reason they're all standing around is that one of the girls has suffered quite a nasty injury. The expectation in the circumstances must be that they wait quietly until someone tells them what to do.

(I was once knocked flying by one of two boys of about eleven who were playing a game that involved a lot of charging about in a pedestrian shopping street. I'd tried to avoid them, but he ran into me from behind. I got away with a bruised knee, having fallen full length on the ground. An elderly person could have been quite seriously hurt. So I have no patience or sympathy with this sort of behaviour. :evil: )


This must also be looked at from the point of view of Prunella. If my daughter went into a lake to save another person's life and ended up in hospital I would want to know about it. I would also want to know why it had happened.

If any pupil was involved in something like this I should think the school had a duty to contact the parents.

Surely any parent would wonder if they got a routine letter from their daughter to say she had gone into a lake to save another girl?


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This must also be looked at from the point of view of Prunella. If my daughter went into a lake to save another person's life and ended up in hospital I would want to know about it. I would also want to know why it had happened. If any pupil was involved in something like this I should think the school had a duty to contact the parents.

I would say the Head would most certainly tell them, whatever the accident, since she must know the girls themselves will inform their parents. But, you know, we coped much better with children having accidents in those days, and didn't look for people to blame, in most cases.

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Alison H wrote:
I'm not sure that we ever behaved very well on school trips :lol:, but the fact that other people do something as well doesn't make it right - and you can imagine the remarks if one of the Chalet School party had been knocked over by kids from another school running around chasing each other in a busy area of a city centre.


The other day I saw a teacher who was in charge of a large group of students all in uniform. He had clearly lost control (along with with the will to live) as these kids who must've been about 15-16 ran all over the pavement thus forcing everyone else onto the road and up and down the train station stairs and swore at anyone who reprimanded them. And the uniform they were wearing came from one of Sydney's most prestigious and expensive private schools.

In comparison, what Emmy and Margot do is nothing. :D

Regarding the Len/Prunella friendship, Joey moans over the fact that both Len and Margot have close friends who are years older than them.

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Then she said more quietly, “I can’t see why those wretched girls of mine seem to fall for people older than themselves. Look at Margot and Emerence Hope!”
“I know. But don’t forget, Jo, that their time in Canada made them very much more independent than the average English girl of their age. Their years may be only eleven, but in most other things, they are a good two years older than that.”
“Yes; I suppose there’s something in that.”


But how about the basic fact that all Len's age-peers are back in England! The closest girls in age to her (except her sisters) are a good three years older, so what else was Len supposed to do?

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I always forget about this book if I'm on honest, which I guess isn't overly surprising in such a long series.

One thing though is that Len/EBD drop the "Mamma and Pappa" in this book and say "Mother and Father" instead. I'm sure the triplets do actually use Mamma after this book, although it's explained that the triplets have decided to use the more grown up version.

Emerence doesn't seem quite herself either in the beginning.

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But how about the basic fact that all Len's age-peers are back in England! The closest girls in age to her (except her sisters) are a good three years older, so what else was Len supposed to do?


Re the friends,since the triplets were taken to Switzerland even when underage for the rules then just what does Joey expect them to do for friends. At first there is no one there of the same age, except the three of them,so they either remain friendless or pal up with older girls.


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To be fair to Joey, I think she meant friends in her own form, rather than friends of the same age, so that Len would have partners for walks and for classwork done in pairs, etc. But they do usually make a point of not interfering in friendships, so it's still odd that she says anything.

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But how about the basic fact that all Len's age-peers are back in England! The closest girls in age to her (except her sisters) are a good three years older, so what else was Len supposed to do?


Re the friends,since the triplets were taken to Switzerland even when underage for the rules then just what does Joey expect them to do for friends. At first there is no one there of the same age, except the three of them,so they either remain friendless or pal up with older girls.


Don't think age gap would be as much as 3 years. Age limit was 12, and triplets were nearly 11, this was Sept and their birthday in Nov, so probably quite a number of 12 year olds.


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There would be other girls of only one year older but Prunella who at 14, is three years older than Len. The friendship is only brief anyway and soon fizzles out.


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Josette was just a year older than the triplets - or less, depending on which of her various birth months you go with. But the triplets never seem especially friendly with her, despite the fact they were all in Canada together. EBD works it so they're never in the same form.

If they'd been in their correct school year, the triplets would have been among the oldest. They'd have been nearer in age to some of the girls in the year above than to some in their own year.

I was always a year ahead at school. My friends were up to 15 months older than I was. It was never an issue. Especially as in those days a 16/17 year old had no difficulty getting served a pub.


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Like Len, Josette is always in a form with older girls. In EBD mind it's a sign of super-intelligence that her favourites get double removes etc.


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It strikes me sometimes that the triplets are never in a gang, either together or of their own, friends.They don't even share the same friends at times unlike Mary-Lou's gang etc. Given EBD's liking for groups of friends, often led by one girl, this seems to me a little strange.


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EBD plays around with Josette's age, presumably so that she can be part of Mary-Lou's lot. In Three Go Josette is two years older than the triplets. EBD then puts a year onto the ages of M-L & Co so that by Chalet Girl from Kenya Josette was 15 and the triplets only 12. Truly ridiculous when it was so well documented in Exile that the triplets arrived a year after Josette.

Compared to the groups of which Bride and M-L were a part, EBD made such a mess writing about the triplets. Why could she not just have left them with people the same age and built up a friendship group? Daisy, M-L, Vi, Bride and lots more were clever but there was no rubbish that they were with people years older. We might have seen a proper role for Jo Scott for instance who was lost between M-L, Josette and the triplets.

It would have been better if the triplets had a proper mixture of friends instead of a succession of very similar new girls, most of whom Len initially takes under her wing.


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