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 Post subject: Re: Books: The New Mistress at the Chalet School
PostPosted: 16 Oct 2017, 20:36 
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I had a maths teacher who was qualified in both Maths and English, which to me is a weirder combination.


I did Maths and English at A level and it was considered odd then, to the extent that the school timetable had to be rearranged to accommodate it. The Headmaster thought that it was a very odd choice and I had to justify it to him.


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PostPosted: 16 Oct 2017, 22:24 
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I did Maths and English at A level and it was considered odd then, to the extent that the school timetable had to be rearranged to accommodate it. The Headmaster thought that it was a very odd choice and I had to justify it to him.
:D It's character-forming for them to accommodate students' choices of subject. We had several people who wanted to be architects and did Maths, Art and Physics (technical drawing wasn't available at A level for some reason).


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PostPosted: 17 Oct 2017, 00:50 
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I know St Andrews Uni a few years ago - and I expect still does - had quite a range of joint honours degrees. Maths/History was one.

One of my relatives went to uni to do a maths degree but bombed a bit. Ended up with a general science non-honours degree (Scotland). She was lucky enough to get another chance though and decided to study history which was quite a contrast with maths. She did graduate from that with first class honours.

Turning to Kathie. I liked the book and Kathie. Meant to read it again for this discussion but didn't. From memory though, is Mary-Lou not very concerned about seemingly having offended Kathie and asks her about it when they are on better terms? She is quite contrite when she finds out the reason for Kathie's earlier coldness.

It rather rankles with me that Nancy Wilmot who I don't rate is head of maths and she must go before Kathie gets her chance. I also think Kathie would be a much better head teacher than Nancy.

I was flabbergasted in Challenge when Nancy becomes head teacher. Out of herself, Miss Derwent and Miss Moore, Nancy is the last I would have chosen.


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When I was at secondary school, we had a few teachers who doubled up on subjects. History and RE (and the deputy headship), French and German, and physics and chemistry are the ones I recall, although I think there may have been others that I've forgotten.


Yes but all those subjects are similar - humanities, languages, sciences.

History and Geog is a popular one as is History and Modern Studies.

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- even Maths and Geography is a slightly weird combination to teach, unless you've had professional experience in one or the other, and given her age, that's unlikely.


I had a maths teacher who was qualified in both Maths and English, which to me is a weirder combination. In Australia, most of my High School teachers could teach two subjects, whether it was Maths/Science or English and History. It's rarer for someone to only have one subject.


That is an odd combination and could only potentially be done if they had two separate degrees in both subjects. Unlikely to have a degree that combines both.


In Australia you can do a Bachelor in Arts/Science which is a double degree and then do a post grad in Education which means you could teach both if you had your Bachelor in both. The degree is for slightly longer (I think a year) but it’s definitely possible. I considered it when I was going to Uni.

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PostPosted: 18 Oct 2017, 13:52 
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There was a teacher at my secondary school who taught both Maths and Geography, and one or two of the language teachers taught two languages.

I was always rather ambivalent about Kathie as a character, though I do think some of the questions that came to me when I read the book each time could have been addressed by EBD. Why Joey lives next door to, and is so involved in the school isn't queried by Kathie at all. The strangeness of coming in to a school where a lot of old girls are mistresses so all have a shared history, also isn't touched upon.

This is also the book where the 'eyes that had never yet needed glasses' line is used twice (grrrr!).


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PostPosted: 19 Oct 2017, 13:35 
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EBD seems to often regard geography as as science rather than a humanity. Miss Wilson is often presented as a science and geography mistress and in the early days geography has a separate room, normally near the science labs. That attitude would make it a reasonable combination.

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EBD seems to often regard geography as as science rather than a humanity. Miss Wilson is often presented as a science and geography mistress and in the early days geography has a separate room, normally near the science labs. That attitude would make it a reasonable combination.


Back in the day it could be either. When I were an undergrad in the late 60s one could graduate with a BA or a BSc. I have no idea how it was classified as one or 'tother. Perhaps on one's subsid subjects?

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EBD seems to often regard geography as as science rather than a humanity. Miss Wilson is often presented as a science and geography mistress and in the early days geography has a separate room, normally near the science labs. That attitude would make it a reasonable combination.


Back in the day it could be either. When I were an undergrad in the late 60s one could graduate with a BA or a BSc. I have no idea how it was classified as one or 'tother. Perhaps on one's subsid subjects?


Yes. Where I work, we offer BA or BSc Geography and it specifically says: BSc students will target courses that expand their scientific grounding while BA students often focus on humanities. The entry requirements are also slightly different with the BSc require at least 2 science subjects at (Scottish) Higher, A Level or IB.

Regardless of which Geog course you prefer, the science/engineering dept run it.

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I can definitely see how geography could be a science major vs a humanities. A humanities one would concentrate more on cultural, social and historical aspects, a science would go more into physical geography and would probably require some courses climate science and geophysics (and the math to go with them). I think things like psychology and archaeology can be done as either as well.

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Strangely, my geography 'O' level, which I took not long before the CS series ended, was definitely considered to be a humanities subject, not a science, yet contained no study of the cultural and social aspects you mention, jennifer, and very little history, but was full of climate science, geology, map-reading, analysis and calculations!


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Having just watched Michael Portillo getting the train to Sicily which is driven onto the ferry, I was reminded of the bit in New Mistress when Kathie meets Biddy at Victoria Station and they get on the train. Biddy tells her it is the ferry train which goes right through to the Gare de Nord so they are set until they get to Paris. This has always puzzled me as presumably the gauges were different in U.K. and France? Surely it's only since they built the channel tunnel and the high speed line that trains could go right through - they didn't put the trains on the ferry? Or maybe I have got that wrong. Does anyone know or is it an EBDism?

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PostPosted: 26 Oct 2017, 21:18 
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Having just watched Michael Portillo getting the train to Sicily which is driven onto the ferry, I was reminded of the bit in New Mistress when Kathie meets Biddy at Victoria Station and they get on the train. Biddy tells her it is the ferry train which goes right through to the Gare de Nord so they are set until they get to Paris. This has always puzzled me as presumably the gauges were different in U.K. and France? Surely it's only since they built the channel tunnel and the high speed line that trains could go right through - they didn't put the trains on the ferry? Or maybe I have got that wrong. Does anyone know or is it an EBDism?


Just discovered this link which sort of answers your question for Kathie and Biddy's journey. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night_Ferry I've just skimmed the relevant chapter and there is no real description of the train journey. Will go back later and re-read, just in case I've missed something.

However the first CS books were written before this and they travel via Calais. Then I think it was called the "boat train" and it just meant train, ferry and second train. - certainly what I remember from my student days (not in the 1920s, of course :lol: )


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PostPosted: 26 Oct 2017, 23:39 
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I've been trying to find links to articles or pictures. The rail gauge was the same on both sides of the channel (4 foot 8 1/2 inches), but the loading gauge is different - the continental rolling stock tends to bigger than UK rolling stock. The train certainly was driven on to the ferry, so Biddy and Kathie could have travelled right through to Paris on the train.

See the bit headed 'Train Ferry' halfway down this article. This article has quite a lot of information about the cross channel train and ferry services. There is a picture here of a similar service on the Harwich - Hook of Holland crossing.

There are still train ferries today in parts of Europe.

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Thank you The Frau46 and Lottie - that's cleared that up! I've always wondered about it - it makes more sense now!

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I'm rereading this one and paused at the part where Margot throws a sparkler in class to pay back Miss Ferrars for being harsh with Con. Margot's punishment is that she can't go with Len and Con to prepare for their party will have to leave with their guests. Even though Miss Ferrars remits the punishment, the entire episode shows how unfair it is that the Maynards' school and home lives are so intertwined. Is any other girl in the Swiss books punished in such a way it bleeds into her home life like that?

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PostPosted: 29 Mar 2018, 19:21 
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Not in the Swiss books - I suppose the closest is in Gay with her being told she can't go home due to her behaviour


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I don't think it is so out of line with what would happen in a boarding school further away from home. Cancelling a planned weekend visit by parents was used as a punishment by my school, and it could happen at the last minute. Granted it was usually reserved for fairly serious or repeated offences.

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I think we're actually supposed to think it's unfair, and that it's another example of Kathie learning on the job and making mistakes as she does so. She immediately realises it was a bad choice of punishment when Len and Con, who haven't done anything wrong, point out that it's going to spoil their birthdays as well if Margot isn't there for the whole thing. But, if Margot hadn't been a triplet, the punishment would probably have stood, and, no, nobody else in the school would have been punished in that way.

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But then nobody else could have been punished in that way. Nobody else had the opportunity to go home for her birthday party.

If Margot had been at a day school, detention would have been a reasonable punishment for her bad behaviour, and would have meant she couldn't go home with her sisters.


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