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PostPosted: 19 Oct 2017, 15:44 
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I could see the girls getting excited about building their *own* chapels - there's not a lot of excitement on the Platz, after all.

When it comes down to it, though, donating to the chapels isn't actually charity, because it's something that the school is going to use themselves, and charity is something you do for other people. So pushing the current staff and students to cough up for it is questionable, particularly as they're not really in a position to say no without, at a minimum, looking bad. (Shaking down *former* students, though, is a time-honoured tradition).

I did a quick check, and they come up with the idea in this book, and dedicate the chapels in Ruey, which is four terms later. So just over a year to conduct a fundraising campaign (by mail), get contractors, complete building and equip everything, for two chapels each of which fit 250 people. I've been involved in projects for a simple church extension or renovation, funded by donations, and they took *years* before construction even started.


I don't know that one can apply 'normal' fundraising expectaions here. Coney and Evvy boyh gave a huge amount, and someone else aslo gave a very large donation. I remember they comment how they got the first half almost in one go. Beyond that, there were a lot of other well off Old gorls who might have given significant amounts, if not as much as Corney and Evvy. They had a lot of specific donations of furniture as well.

The buildings themselves were fairly simple wooden buildings - possibly cheaper anr quicker to put up than brick buildings (though I admit to knowing very little about achitecture!)

I don't think the girls contributions made huge differencwe to the funds, though it would have added to the motivation and made them feel involved and very proud of the final product.

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Edited to add on - Did the Platz actually need the School Chapels? I think at least one of the religions already had a Chapel. Would it have meant the minister or priest having to hold double the number of services and atfendance dropping elsewhere? There seems to have been at least three services on a Sunday - early morning, morning and evening. Was this for the same religion does anybody know

Probably for Catholics, as the evening service is Benediction, which was short and sweet. I also think that the 8/8.30am service was a Mass, as we tend to see folk like the triplets going. The 10am in both chapels appeared to be the ones the main body of the school attended - although, as a Catholic, I'd have wanted to go to the 8am, so I didn't have to starve till nearly lunchtime. :roll: Back then, we had to fast from midnight, no matter what time the morning Mass...

Having the chapels probably did mean the ministers having to do more services, although, as Noreen points out, lots of the San staff came to the school services. Also, the San chaplain wouldn't have had held as many services as the Catholic priest/monk, who seemed to be saying Mass in several of the small villages around. Or is another Anglican vicar mentioned? Can't recall offhand.

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The Oberland would have been mainly Calvinist then, so I assume the local churches had their own ministers and the Anglican chaplain, assuming there was one, just took services at the San. I can't remember any mention of a full-time chaplain at the San in Switzerland, though. There was Mr Eastley in Tyrol, but he was there anyway because his wife was a patient.

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The buildings themselves were fairly simple wooden buildings - possibly cheaper anr quicker to put up than brick buildings (though I admit to knowing very little about achitecture!)


Very much quicker and cheaper....

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I can't remember any mention of a full-time chaplain at the San in Switzerland, though. There was Mr Eastley in Tyrol, but he was there anyway because his wife was a patient.

There is one in ND, Alison!! :lol: But then that's set several years after the end of the books.

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Why wasn't Vi made a Prefect with the others? (She does seem to be a prefect in New Mistress, though). The number of prefects varies from year to year, so you if you have four girls who are equally qualified, just make all four prefects, rather than excluding one of the group and doing it by age.

Why have I got a feeling Vi was actually older than Mary-Lou, I'm almost sure that I read that somewhere?


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Why have I got a feeling Vi was actually older than Mary-Lou, I'm almost sure that I read that somewhere?

Isn't there a mention of Vi's birthday when she was a Junior or Junior Middle?

Vi almost certainly was older than Mary Lou; with a June or July birthday, ML would have been one of the youngest in her year.

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The gap really must have been 4 terms but EBD changing the age at which Jo had the triplets until the month she was 21, means she must have been only 19 at the start of Exile. Got to suspend belief, I think.

I suppose when EBD changed things she had decided the trip to India hadn't happened, and was trying to close the gap in the timeline that was left. Then later she changed her mind and had Jo talking about it and used it in Summer Term.

I think having the extra year is more realistic in terms of Jo's development. She needed that time to mature from schoolgirl to young woman engaged to be married.


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The next question regarding the chapels: which of the languages would be used in the Protestant chapel? In CS, Sunday didn't have a set language, unlike the other days. Pre-Vatican II I am assuming that the Catholic chapel had a Latin service?


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We live in a wooden chalet a few years ago we had a 20 square metre extension the longest bit to having it built was waiting for the concrete pillars to set a It took about 7 days for the 3 builders to errect the basic shell and the about another 10 days to finish the electrics I expect that they would have been building both chapels at the same time and with more people maybe from start to finish about 6 weeks max for the buildings


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The next question regarding the chapels: which of the languages would be used in the Protestant chapel? In CS, Sunday didn't have a set language, unlike the other days. Pre-Vatican II I am assuming that the Catholic chapel had a Latin service?


In Excitements, most of the girls are native English speakers. By the later Swiss books, things have changed - there were a lot of German, Dutch and Swedish speakers amongst the Protestant girls. Interesting thought. :lol: I'm just imagining the poor chaplain being told that he had to conduct midweek services in whichever language the school was using that day!

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Why have I got a feeling Vi was actually older than Mary-Lou, I'm almost sure that I read that somewhere?

Isn't there a mention of Vi's birthday when she was a Junior or Junior Middle?

Vi almost certainly was older than Mary Lou; with a June or July birthday, ML would have been one of the youngest in her year.

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The gap really must have been 4 terms but EBD changing the age at which Jo had the triplets until the month she was 21, means she must have been only 19 at the start of Exile. Got to suspend belief, I think.

I suppose when EBD changed things she had decided the trip to India hadn't happened, and was trying to close the gap in the timeline that was left. Then later she changed her mind and had Jo talking about it and used it in Summer Term.

I think having the extra year is more realistic in terms of Jo's development. She needed that time to mature from schoolgirl to young woman engaged to be married.


I too think the extra year was more realistic. I do feel that Jo seems quite a bit older at the beginning of Exile than she does during New CS.

Regarding Vi's age, it is stated in Three Go that her birthday is January and ML's is the next June or July.

The pressure put on the staff to contribute to the Chapels was very heavy. Trust Biddy to be up there with a large amount. Was she not getting married that summer? Surely she should have been contributing towards her wedding/new home?


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The next question regarding the chapels: which of the languages would be used in the Protestant chapel? In CS, Sunday didn't have a set language, unlike the other days. Pre-Vatican II I am assuming that the Catholic chapel had a Latin service?


In Excitements, most of the girls are native English speakers. By the later Swiss books, things have changed - there were a lot of German, Dutch and Swedish speakers amongst the Protestant girls. Interesting thought. :lol: I'm just imagining the poor chaplain being told that he had to conduct midweek services in whichever language the school was using that day!

Presumably he would have conducted them in his own language. After all the CS pupils are trilingual. :D Hopefully his version of German wasn't Schwyzerdütsch though!
Presumably they would have "borrowed" him from the local parish. I wonder whether they paid him.

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Hopefully his version of German wasn't Schwyzerdütsch though!

But Schwyzerdütsch is wonderful to listen to!

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Hopefully his version of German wasn't Schwyzerdütsch though!

But Schwyzerdütsch is wonderful to listen to!

That may be true, Cestina, but we often have sub-titles on TV programmes so I'm not sure how much the CS girls would have understood. :lol: I think I would just have sat there comparing it with hochdeutsch and not listened to the actual service!
Just after my arrival in Germany SLOC (Swabian) and I went to a "Plattdeutscher Abend". He said he understood enough to get the gist. I understood about one word in three!


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Just after my arrival in Germany SLOC (Swabian) and I went to a "Plattdeutscher Abend". He said he understood enough to get the gist. I understood about one word in three!

I love Plattdeutsch even more than Schwyzerdütsch! A stunning mix of Dutch, English and German with a soupçon of Danish thrown into the mix :D

(I may have an unfair advantage in that one sister-in-law is Danish, another was Swiss-German and close friends with whom we used to spend every summer holiday are a Dutch/German couple)

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Just after my arrival in Germany SLOC (Swabian) and I went to a "Plattdeutscher Abend". He said he understood enough to get the gist. I understood about one word in three!

I love Plattdeutsch even more than Schwyzerdütsch! A stunning mix of Dutch, English and German with a soupçon of Danish thrown into the mix :D

(I may have an unfair advantage in that one sister-in-law is Danish, another was Swiss-German and close friends with whom we used to spend every summer holiday are a Dutch/German couple)


And my German has improved since those days so perhaps I would understand more now. I love your description of it (Plattdeutsch). :D

To bring this back on to topic, I've always wondered how many of the prefects would really remember Miss Bubb. They would have been Juniors when she was there and wouldn't have had so much to do with her, surely. The problem is, of course, is that Sybil's age has been so EBD'd in the Swiss books.


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Sybil was originally 10 when Ailie was born (which was that year), but she stayed 14 for about 3 years :roll:. The triplets are 13 in Excitements and were 3 in Gay - so Sybil ought to be 20. Anyone who was 18 at this point should only have been 7 or 8 when Miss Bubb was there, and younger prefects like Mary-Lou would only have been 5 or 6. Most of them wouldn't even have been at boarding school then.

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The pressure put on the staff to contribute to the Chapels was very heavy. Trust Biddy to be up there with a large amount. Was she not getting married that summer? Surely she should have been contributing towards her wedding/new home?

Where did Biddy get the money to make a large donation? I don't suppose she was earning much as a governess on an Australian sheep station, or wherever it was, and she hadn't been at the CS long enough to build up a lot of savings. And yes, she did need it for her wedding dress, trousseau and so on.

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Sybil was originally 10 when Ailie was born (which was that year)

Ailie's age also gets EBDed; she ends up older than she should be. Oddly, EBD manages to have Jack Lambert, who was also born that summer, the age she should be when she joins the school.

I should think the person who would remember Miss Bubb best from a pupil's point of view would be Gill Culver at St Mildred's. I don't think any of the other OGs among the mistresses were pupils at the school when Miss Bubb was there, were they? And as Alison says, none of the girls still at school in Excitements would be old enough to remember much about her.


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Sybil's age could have been affected by EBD changing the age at which Jo had the triplets to 21 instead of 22 but, presumably, not changing the ages of the other characters in line.

I also think EBD could have purposely upped the ages of the older Bettany and Russell children so that the girls could be part of the books, and in the case of Rix and David in Goes to It, to put them to boarding school. If Jo was 15 when David was born, he must have been a bare six when he was put to the Cathedral School at Hereford but EBD had made them all older.

In Jo to the Rescue, Sybil who was born when Jo was 17, should only have been about 7.

Edited to say - Hereford should have read Armiford, of course!


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The pressure put on the staff to contribute to the Chapels was very heavy. Trust Biddy to be up there with a large amount. Was she not getting married that summer? Surely she should have been contributing towards her wedding/new home?

Where did Biddy get the money to make a large donation? I don't suppose she was earning much as a governess on an Australian sheep station, or wherever it was, and she hadn't been at the CS long enough to build up a lot of savings. And yes, she did need it for her wedding dress, trousseau and so on.


Given the Chalet School educated her for free for about 8 years, housed her in the school holidays and Jem and Madge offered to pay her Oxford fees, if she didn't win the scholarship, I could see Biddy not being able to (or feeling able to) do anything less than donating to the school chapels. She did owe the school.

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