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 Post subject: Re: Joan Baker/Rosamund/Triplets/Problem
PostPosted: 18 Aug 2018, 20:23 
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Maybe EBD was harder on Joan because she was nearer EBD in class than most of the other CS pupils. Joan was an ideal pupil to have come "good" and to a great extent she did but EBD never recognises this. Maybe EBD thought it mixed things up a bit to have a different type of pupil.

Lotte - It was a shame Mary'Lou had left. She would soon have put the frighteners on Jack Lambert.

EBD might have spent time discussing Jack's faults rather than hitting on Joan.


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 Post subject: Re: Joan Baker/Rosamund/Triplets/Problem
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I think it's lovely that Ros and Joan do write to each other after Joan's left school. Ros has got Len and Ted, and Joan's got her boyfriend and probably other new friends at her secretarial college. but that old tie between two people who come from the same place, who've grown up together, and who've known each other's families all that time, still holds. I think we see that with Joey and Grizel in Reunion, as well, when they meet up for the first time in many years.

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Slightly OT, but I've been reading a few of the early Swiss books recently and have warmed to Mary-Lou a lot. Definitely one of the more proactive Head Girls. I agree with whoever it was that said the series went downhill after she left the school.

Joan at least did become a nicer person after Problem, while staying friends with Ros - I'm reading Excitements and she gets on just fine there, and I like how she intervenes when Yseult is being rude about Robin and says, "Look, you're not going to understand it, and I don't either, now let's talk about something else." And she's brilliant in the flood bit in Richenda. Does Jack ever get nicer?


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I don't think Jack ever gets nicer. She grows up a bit in Prefects of the Chalet Schoo and can see why the speedboat idea is bad from the staff's perspective. We don't see her becoming kinder or less selfish though.

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I think we're supposed to see her maturing in Prefects, when she reluctantly advises Jocelyn over the motorboat idea - that's about a year and a half after the bullying Jane incident. But to me at least that comes across more as maturing towards "not a complete pain in the neck" as much as anything else. I mean, she's not punching people in jealous fits anymore, but she doesn't come across as particularly nice or responsible.

I think Jack would have worked much better as a Francine Wilford like character - a persistently difficult girl who tends to be sulky and badly behaved, but who gradually matures into a reasonably responsible person. Unfortunately, I think we're supposed to see her as a major character and future Head Girl material, which just doesn't work, any more than turning the sharp-tongued, short tempered Margot into a Games Prefect worked.

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I was going to say she was like Darrell Rivers, but she isn't really ... Darrell was just prone to losing her temper, although her behaviour when she did lose it was downright nasty, whereas Jack was just plain horrible, running bullying campaigns against anyone she didn't like.

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I was going to say she was like Darrell Rivers, but she isn't really ... Darrell was just prone to losing her temper, although her behaviour when she did lose it was downright nasty, whereas Jack was just plain horrible, running bullying campaigns against anyone she didn't like.


Plus Darrell knows her temper is a problem and she strives to conquer it, with some realistic failures along the way. I don't think we see that level of self-awareness in Jack.

Jack reminds me a bit of a couple of villainous girls from the St. Clare's books -- Prudence Arnold, for example. She has a mean streak, she enlists the help of classmates with less character, she targets a particular girl for no reason other than she thinks that girl needs to be put in her place. I'm sure EBD would roll in her grave at that comparison!

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