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 Post subject: Re: Guides of the Chalet School
PostPosted: 20 Dec 2009, 21:34 
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Hope this is all taken as constructive!!!!!!!!!!

Yes; thank you! I like it when people explain their likes and dislikes :D


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 Post subject: Re: Guides of the Chalet School
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Santa brought it for me :D :D . I read it in odd moments while the rest of my houseful were out walking, and I thoroughly enjoyed it. I do love the early part of the series, so I love hearing more about Madge pre-marriage and Jo as a child. My favourite part of the book was the beginning, at Pretty Maids. I liked the young Jack Maynard, and I thought his bossiness and general conviction in his own authority was very convincing! I rather liked the 'lonely blonde foreign woman catches her death due to being over-fond of being out in the rain' bits - that storyline felt very 1920s to me and I don't think I agree about it not being EBDish. After all, she does give us quite a few mad parents, albeit a bit later in the series. Not being into Morse and knots myself I have to admit to reading those parts rather quickly, but I thought it was quite realistic to have Guides as a kind of craze that took off. After all, don't we get told a little later that badges had to be limited to stop the girls becoming entirely obsessed? Or am I making that up? What I did like about the Guiding parts was feeling that the girls were pioneering something new and exciting. After all, I've only ever thought of Guides as something very established and establishment, whereas in the 1920s it wouldn't have been quite like that.

As an Abbey-as-well-as-Chalet fan, I have to say I enjoyed all the folk dancing and folk songs. At times I thought I'd slipped into EJO's universe. :D

My only quibble is with the front cover. The girls look strange, and is the Guider supposed to be Madge? The illustration is very faithful to the uniform details as described in the book, but the Guider looks about 50 so I was waiting in the story for them to have a visit from a Guiding high-up or something!!


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I got the book for Christmas and have enjoyed reading it.


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 Post subject: Re: Guides of the Chalet School
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I got the book for Christmas and read it on Christmas day. I enjoyed it very much - I read, as like the previous poster (Chris S), for enjoyment as opposed to looking for errors - and I enjoyed it very much.

I was a brownie, guide and venture scout and so enjoyed that aspect of it - I was defiantly put into a patrol and then decreed a patrol leader by virtue of age and length of time in the Guides as opposed to anything else (mind you the most onerous thing I remember being responsible for was re-painting the patrol box so times have obviously changed since EBD's days) -I'm glad I didn't have to learn Morse Code or be a role model to people!

I enjoyed seeing Grizel's character being a bit more rounded and less one sided - normally she is 'bad' and it was nice to see other sides to her.

It was also fun knowing that nasty things were going to happen to nasty Rolf eventually! (yes well - maybe I'm not a nice person after all!). Joey and Jack first meeting was interesting - although it was hard to see how that ever developed into a romance (that's more of a grip with EBD than Guides as I never felt that EBD set that storyline up particularly well)

I thought it was rather brave (in a good way) to actually kill off one of the Chalet School girls relatives - when you consider how many of them have 'health related issues' with require lots of fresh air, wholesome milk, plenty of rest or nearness to the san to be quickly at the bedside of sick relatives they and their families are remarkably healthy with very few san reacted deaths (someone now is going to weigh in with a whole list of relies who died in the san! that I've totally forgotten about).

I would have liked to have known more about the Colonel (or Major - I left the book at home?) as I thought he might have more of a part to play than he did.

I didn't / don't have a problem with the anomalies - I think each follow on story should stand alone as opposed to trying to tie in so closely with the others (which is always going to be hard as there are different authors working to different time frames).

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I enjoyed this book though not having been a guide or brownie I think I couldn't fully appreciate everything (the same happened for me with Peace). My favourite part was also the beginning at Pretty Maids, and I'm glad we finally got to meet Rolf Maynard! I also found the health and safety section towards the end of the book rather amusing :lol: Bravo!


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Can I just clarify I DID enjoy your book and certainly admire the hard work and excellent writing that has gone into it.
I wasn't "looking" for anomalies, I just noticed them so couldn't lose myself in the plot so much... apologies if that came across as negative... :oops:
It must be incredibly hard to keep consistency amongst fill-ins, but I don't personally buy into the argument that fill-ins should be standalone - otherwise they can start to undermine each other. But that's just my fussy view!!! :D
I know one thing - I couldn't come close to the high standards of writing anything up to the standard of any of the fill-ins I have read, so I really appreciate that others are able to provide such fantastic opportunities to read about the "missing" terms...thanks a lot!!!


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I dunno mattio - EBD couldn't remember names, ages, forms or who said what from one book to the next. So I don't expect fill in writers, who after all are writing their idea of what happened not EBDs, to be consistent with each other.

I enjoy most of the fill in books but I don't take them as cannon.

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I love the amount of research that must have gone into this book. I'm a BP fan so I like things to be factually correct. I loved the detail even down to the colours for the shoulder knots.

I'm not sure where to put it in the line up though. Does it come before "Visitors"?

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I'm not sure where to put it in the line up though. Does it come before "Visitors"?


Comes immediately after "Jo of", before "Juliet" and "Princess" and then "Visitors".

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I dunno mattio - EBD couldn't remember names, ages, forms or who said what from one book to the next. So I don't expect fill in writers, who after all are writing their idea of what happened not EBDs, to be consistent with each other.

I enjoy most of the fill in books but I don't take them as cannon.


Fair point - I'm expecting other writers to do what EBD couldn't....but so many details ARE painstakingly put right as much as possible, that I guess that's why minor things stand out. Which is a tribute to the amount of research that has gone into it...


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I thoroughly enjoyed this. I wasn't expecting to like it much as I was never a Guide and am not really interested in that side of the Tyrol books, but this fill-in actually brought the Guide movement to life for me in a way that EBD never did and I actually think I missed out by not being one now!

Thanks, Jane, for a wonderful read.


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My only quibble is with the front cover. The girls look strange, and is the Guider supposed to be Madge? The illustration is very faithful to the uniform details as described in the book, but the Guider looks about 50 so I was waiting in the story for them to have a visit from a Guiding high-up or something!!


Glad you enjoyed it: yes the Guider is supposed to be Madge. The picture is adapted from an annual, and had to have various things changed (number of girls, Joey's hair, tie colour, removal of tents...) to fit. The Guider is a Commissioner of some description in the original picture, so does look a bit old!

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I thoroughly enjoyed this. I wasn't expecting to like it much as I was never a Guide and am not really interested in that side of the Tyrol books, but this fill-in actually brought the Guide movement to life for me in a way that EBD never did and I actually think I missed out by not being one now!

Thanks, Jane, for a wonderful read.


You're very welcome! Thank you too!


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I really enjoyed this book so much, and thought it very much in the style of something that EBD might have written herself. I loved reading about Joey's stay at Pretty Maids, the various games that the guides played, etc and the wishfullness over the camping!

I was a brownie myself which I loved being a part of, and also a guide, but the company that I was a guide in was a brand new company,though I stuck it out for a while, I was one of the guides to help with the colours in a church parade :mrgreen: I soon became fed up with it as we just never did anything exciting! I think the only badge I did there was a computing badge, whereas in brownies we completed quite a lot ( I was part of two companies, as my family moved, the first one being very well established, therefore we did quite alot and even went to the guide cottage up at Holme. The brownies in the next place I went to was established, but soon became too old for them).

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Have just finished this and really enjoyed it. I thought the obsession with Guides very realistic and highly entertaining. Also loved the story of Stephanie; it was very sensitively written and felt so real.

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I've just read my copy and found it excellent. The style of writing is so in line with EBD's - even the detail of the dormitory routine :D . All the Guides bit has got me all enthusiastic to go back and help, although the badges then seemed a lot more onorous!

It must be terribly hard to write a fill in book as nothing really important is allowed to happen, otherwise it must be referred to again later!


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I finally got my copy on Saturday after a mix-up as to which daughter was getting it for me for Christmas! (Ended up with 2 GGB copies of the cookbook + the HB!) Loved it - thank you Jane.

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I got my copy last week and finished reading it over the weekend. Very true to cannon and easy to believe that they would get carried away with Guiding activity. I then re-read Juliet to see how the two fitted together and although Juliet was written before Guides they fitted really well.

Well done Jane and Caroline, roll on the next ones.


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Miss Di wrote:
I dunno mattio - EBD couldn't remember names, ages, forms or who said what from one book to the next. So I don't expect fill in writers, who after all are writing their idea of what happened not EBDs, to be consistent with each other.

I enjoy most of the fill in books but I don't take them as cannon.


You may not, but Ruth certainly does - expect us to be consistent, that is, - both with EBD's universe and each other. She once said to me that while EBD made plenty of bloopers, we as fill-in authors should be aiming to match EBD at her best, not her worst.

I haven't read Guides yet - it's in the post and I should get it in the next couple of days. Luckily, it comes so far before Three Go that it doesn't affect me unduly - although I did need to make some edits to earlier drafts to reflect events in Peace, and will probably have to do so again as the published Peace is very different from the early draft KB let me have. I can appreciate though that it must have been a real headache trying to make two consecutive fill-ins cooperate. I have enough trouble sometimes with just Three and Island!

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I haven't looked at this board for months and months, but I was tempted back having finally just read Guides. Thought it was excellent, and very true to EBD.

Jane, your dedication was lovely - I used to Guide with Emily in Westminster; we worked on our LQs together. Much missed :(.


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I guess I'll have to wait until some copies make it over the Atlantic... oh well :-D Good luck with it!!


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