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 Post subject: Re: Guides of the Chalet School
PostPosted: 24 May 2010, 21:29 
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I guess I'll have to wait until some copies make it over the Atlantic... oh well :-D Good luck with it!!


I'm fairly sure GGB can take overseas orders by Paypal now - or they may have somene in US/Canada who can coordinate orders - check their website: www.ggb.co.uk ...

... comes back to say - yes, their North American coordinator is in Canada - and is on this board :D - PM Elder in Ontario and I'm sure she'll be able to help

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Yes indeed, I'm still handling North American GGBP orders unless people prefer to order direct and use Pay pal - the new website is pretty easy to use. Have e-mailed you, Sarah.


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As you might know if you've seen my introductory post, I haven't read that many CS books (so far, only up to Head Girl and Visitors the only fill-in). I must say that even though Princess of is my favourite book so far, the topic of guiding came as a real surprise to me and I was totally unprepared (I don't recall any mention of that in Jo of, perhaps because that was cut in my edition). I was really confused when suddenly the characters were talking about badges and wilderness skills, not only because, again, I hadn't seen it coming, but because I know absolutely nothing about guiding and was therefore completely engrossed by that aspect of the story and would have liked to learn much more.
Could Guides of the Chalet School appeal to me? Does it introduce guiding properly and really explains what it means, what they do, etc? I would have so liked to see the characters becoming guides (not just being ones) and learning about all this along with me.
I've been trying to find books that give a good overview of guiding, fictional or not - I know GGBP have printed True to the Trefoil, a non-fiction book about guiding in fiction, I also know that EJO has written quite a few books with guiding/camp fire as a theme and of course in CS we have Camp and Judy.

What books/authors would you recommend first to someone who wants to learn more? Is this one a good start? I can see there are mixed reviews about it.

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I was never a guide myself but would heartily recommend How the Girl Guides Won the War. Non~fiction and the author's mother, Verily Anderson was a keen Guide who later wrote several fiction titles ~ IIRC about Brownies. HTGGWTW was one of my favourite reads of last year.

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Excellent, I'll look into that, thank you!

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My notes on what UK Guides wore originally and at the time of the CS books:
The first guides appeared, unofficially, in 1908: they adapted Scout uniform, wearing khaki or green skirt with a khaki blouse and hat.
On being officially formed for girls between ten and fourteen in 1909, the uniform colour was originally a company decision, but had resolved into blue by 1911, with the uniform consisting of a dark blue blouse with breast pockets, a dark blue skirt, a hat and a blue tie.
Some changes were made to the skirt length and blouse pockets in 1917, a belt was added, with a yellow tie instead of a blue one, but the next major change was the introduction of the blue dress in 1930, although the skirt and blouse remained an option.
In 1946, the uniform changed back to a blue blouse and navy skirt, with a beret; the beret was replaced with an ‘air-hostess’ hat in 1964. At the same time the style of the blouse and tie changed, and skirt lengths fluctuated in accordance with fashion. (In 1981, a neckerchief replaced the tie).

I've omitted the re-designs by Jeff Banks and Ally Capellino in 1990 and 2000 respectively, as they're so much later han the books. If anybody knows any of this to be incorrect, please say up! Guides seem to have been one of the uniformed youth movements that had the fewest clothing changes, in fact.

The Brisley frontispiece for In Camp shows them in the recently-introduced dresses, referred to in the text as overalls (the dresses/ overalls would be more laundering than skirts and blouses, but that's perhaps less of a consideration in the CS environment, as well as being cooler in a Tirolean summer)


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Guiding has evolved over the years but Guides of the CS and Judy the Guide give a good description of how the unit was run and what meetings were like. It was not that much different to when I was a Guide in the Sixties. Now it should be girl led and the girls decide on the activities. The badges have been updated and the current ones may be seen on the Girlguiding website.

I would also recommend How the Girl Guides won the War.


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I would also recommend How the Girl Guides won the War.

I've just ordered this for a friend who is going through a very bad patch at the moment. I hope that she will lend it to me in due course :)

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Bought How the Girl Guides Won the War too, I've read the Kindle extract and it was really good so I bought a (cheaper paperback) copy.

I've also had a look at the badges the girls can earn now, apart from a couple puzzling ones (chocolate and confectioner badges, anyone?) the list is super impressive - sometimes they can choose to complete a few number of things out of a long list of possibles but for a few badges, they have to complete the whole thing. I can imagine it would take months to complete just one on top of school, school work and general life things + hobbies. I would have loved to be that active as a child!

The Guide badges are here for those interested (Brownies have a separate page): http://www.girlguiding.org.uk/guides/gf ... index.html

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I believe the chocolate badge is very popular with the girls. Many badges are done as a patrol and the girls will work through the badge at Guide meetings.

At Brownies, we work on a badge as a unit. The girls decide what they would like to do and the leaders organise the activities. It usually takes several weeks to complete a badge and it should be enjoyable. We have just started Science Investigator this term


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http://lesliesguidinghistory.webs.com/i ... badges.htm

This website is quite fascinating.


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I especially like Mrs. A.C. Osborn Hann for early Guiding fiction. She seems to have been heavily involved in the movement, and the illustrations in some of her "Peg" books look like vintage photos.

I'd also recommend Nicki's drabble, 'Guides at the Chalet School.' The archive is in two parts:
part 1
part 2.
It is from the era when some evil web gremlin ate the spacing from parts of the archive, so if you'd prefer my version of a Word file with re-spaced text and most of the comments removed, just send me an e-mail address.

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Noreen wrote:
In 1946, the uniform changed back to a blue blouse and navy skirt, with a beret; the beret was replaced with an ‘air-hostess’ hat in 1964. At the same time the style of the blouse and tie changed, and skirt lengths fluctuated in accordance with fashion. (In 1981, a neckerchief replaced the tie).

I've omitted the re-designs by Jeff Banks and Ally Capellino in 1990 and 2000 respectively, as they're so much later han the books. If anybody knows any of this to be incorrect, please say up! Guides seem to have been one of the uniformed youth movements that had the fewest clothing changes, in fact.

The Brisley frontispiece for In Camp shows them in the recently-introduced dresses, referred to in the text as overalls (the dresses/ overalls would be more laundering than skirts and blouses, but that's perhaps less of a consideration in the CS environment, as well as being cooler in a Tirolean summer)
A rather belated comment on this post.

I was a guide between 1960-66 (when A levels got in the way of Queens Guide and the Rangers). Our skirts didn't vary much in length "according to fashion". Ties were still the folded triangle tied in a reef knot at the back of the neck. Ours were blue but there were Companies which had yellow ties. According to the GG website the "air hostess" hat was introduced in 1964 but in my experience wasn't widely adopted (I "modelled" the current uniform in 1966 at an official event and was given the beret to wear, as did the girl with me).

The Capellini/Banks designs were awful. Could you imaging getting up to Guiding activities in that ankle length skirt? Even in the early 1900s the skirts weren't that long!

We used to parade and line up in patrols at the beginning of meetings and were inspected and the best turned out patrol got points. Difficult to do that in the "practical" modern uniforms. It was a matter of pride for the whole of the Company to compete for this and there was much ironing of uniforms on Friday after school! It was also a matter of pride for us to be in the parade on Remembrance Day without coats (woollies under the blouse - gloves allowed.) We practised marching in step before the event and sometimes we were better than the British Legion members :)

I don't remember any local Companies changing to the loose 3/4 length sleeved shirt in my time.

As for the 1930s uniform dress. I have photos of my Mother as a guide wearing it. In addition to ease of laundering and coolness in summer, it was cheaper than the woollen skirt, blouse, etc., so more viable for less well-off girls. The cotton dress was still available in my day for camp, etc but I never saw one in use.


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The Capellini/Banks designs were awful.


I disagree. I returned to Guiding in the 90s and loved the new uniforms. Leaders could wear trousers and the uniforms were comfortable and practical unlike the ones I wore in the 70s which were made of synthetic materials. Also those hideous hats had gone. I currently wear a polo shirt, fleece and trousers which does for all occasions.

I like the current Brownie uniform. The girls can chose what combination of uniform they like usually T shirt, jacket and trousers.


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I've just read "Guides of the Chalet School" and throughly enjoyed it! I thought it was very much in the EBD style and really caught the characters I already knew (e.g. Grizel, Robin, etc.) and the whole story seemed to fit well into the series.

I suppose as I have the entire series already, in a fill-in I'm just looking for "more of the same" and in my opinion this was up to the standard of EBD and was better than some of her "Swiss" books.


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I've just read Guides and i'm pretty impressed. I did catch the fifth form blooper and I wasn't entirely conviced by Stephanie dancing in the rain but that aside it was good. I especially liked the charactertisation of Grizel and I thought Joey and Juliet were very well written too. I thought the obsession with guiding was realistic and well written and the whole thing felt suitably EBDish.

Edit to add (and this really is being picky)... Commodore wasn't a substantive rank at the time and thus couldn't be held by a retired officer. It was a temporary rank given to one captain when he needed to take charge of a number of other captains (Captain in this case being a rank rather than the bloke in charge of a ship).


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I hav'nt read this but really liked guides in Camp. Presume there are BO books about scouts as well.
Anyway going OT, guides are much like scouts. In cubs we still had caps, with shirts, scarves, jumpers (very school-like). Scout/venture scout berets had gone though. There were some girls, who could choose skirt or trousers with shirt and scarf. I think there was quite a lot of controversy in the 90s about plans for a modern unitorm with sweatshirts or
something. Can't find much online about UK scout uniform history.

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Yes, there are lots of boys own books with a Scouting theme - I have a friend who Collects.


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Katharine wrote:
I think there was quite a lot of controversy in the 90s about plans for a modern unitorm with sweatshirts or something. Can't find much online about UK scout uniform history.
Both Scouting and Guiding movements have had several major uniform redesigns in their history, most notably in the 1960s and at the turn of the 20th/ 21st century. The latter were mostly about the introduction of more modern garments such as hoodies, sweatshirts, gilets etc. Yes, there isn't a vast amount about Scout uniform online - though I found a certain amount by searching on the combination of words 'uk scout uniform history' - but then there were practically no changes in the boys' uniforms between 1907 and 1967.


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I was reading in the Telegraph the other day that Guides have asked for a new uniform with a skirt etc, because they want to look smarter, and are fed up with the trousers and casual T-shirt. There was a photo of an almost gentian blue outfit with the article. Needless to say, this was followed by articles asking why they wanted to be ladylike.....

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