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 Post subject: Re: Speaking of royal questions: Robin's secret past...
PostPosted: 18 Dec 2011, 11:20 
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My friends one year old grandson is being testet for heamophilia at the moment. My friend was quite amazed at vast knowledge of the way that it has featred in European Royal Familes throught the twentieth centuary - mostly due to this thread.

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My friends one year old grandson is being testet for heamophilia at the moment.


Poor baby, it's a nasty disease.
I've just read the Innsbruck Christmas again for the umpty-ninth time but this year it's been enhanced for me by Liss's brilliantly ingenious theory. I see the Robin in a whole new light, especially bearing in mind the portrait of her/Maria. :)

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Miriam wrote:
My friends one year old grandson is being testet for heamophilia at the moment. My friend was quite amazed at vast knowledge of the way that it has featred in European Royal Familes throught the twentieth centuary - mostly due to this thread.


Hope the tests prove negative, although at least now they can give Factor 8 injections.

It's possible to make a good argument for Queen Victoria's haemophilia gene having been responsible for both the Russian Revolution and the Spanish Civil War :roll:!

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Has anyone read The Blood Doctor by Barbara Vine (aka Ruth Rendell?). It's fascinating book (fiction) about a doctor in Victorian times who did research into haemophilia.

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d somewhere or other recently that haemphaelia A may be one of the genetic condition which may be amenable to treatment by gene therapy.

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Yes I've read The Blood Doctor, Cal and enjoyed it (prefer B. Vine to Ruth Rendell). I like to learn stuff in fiction.


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Re:Edward 11. It is quite likely that he survived and escaped/was taken from Berkeley Castle.

Later he was freed to go walking as a pilgrim through Europe, including going to Cologne to visit the shrine of the Three Kings.

Then he visited the Pope at Avignon. The Pope then placed him in the care of the Fieschi family. The members of this family included Cardinals and Bishops. There is an extant letter from a Cardinal Fieschi, and Edward 111 used the Fieschi family as bankers, and also sent them gifts of money for many years. Edward was hermit in the Italian mountains until his death.

Edward 111 and his wife, Phillipa, travelled to Cologne and there met a man called Johannes de Galles (the French name for Wales).

Unfortunately, the myth that Ed 11 was murdered by a hot poker up his backside was not promulgated until quite a few years after his supposed death, when a chronicler, coming late to this era, decided to ensure that his Chronicle would sell, and so published this as part of the 'Truth' about the death of ED 11. After all, people might not buy a later retelling of the original story, but would certainly buy something as scandalous as a gruesome murder.

However, suppressing this Chronicle never seemed to be on the cards, perhaps so that no-one would challenge the legitimacy of ED 111's reign.

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If Edward II was not murdered at Berkeley, wonder who (if anyone!) was buried in the very elaborate tomb in Gloucester Cathedral!

http://www.gloucestercathedral.org.uk/v ... i-tomb.php


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Fun to revisit this thread!

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My love of historical mysteries tends to cycle round the Romanovs, Richard III....

Speaking of whom, and DNA testing, those of us who posted on this thread back in 2011 didn't know what was coming...

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I don’t believe I ever knew what Robin’s mother’s maiden name was

There must be a record of Ted and Marya's marriage somewhere, surely. And if Ted made sure to get a British birth certificate for Robin, as he should have done, and doubly so if there was anything dodgy about her background, that would also have Marya's maiden name on it. But of course she could have given any name and no-one could say it wasn't true.

There's definitely something odd about Adrienne's background. Who was her mother? Why did neither she nor Adrienne's father ever tell Adrienne anything about her? Why were there no letters or papers found among Mr Desmoines' possessions when he died? Why did he keep Adrienne so isolated?

Where was Adrienne born? She'd have been born during the war, wouldn't she?


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Herr Anserl as Rasputin, obviously.

That could connect with how Ted Humphries is an old friend of his, and recommends the school to him.

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If Edward II was not murdered at Berkeley, wonder who (if anyone!) was buried in the very elaborate tomb in Gloucester Cathedral!

http://www.gloucestercathedral.org.uk/v ... i-tomb.php


Saw it last week for the first time and rather glorious it is too!


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To answer Ivohenry's question.

Someone died at the time of Ed 11's death and the corpse of whoever it was quickly embalmed and enclosed in cerecloth ( a thin waxed cloth), so as long as the outward dimensions were all right, the people who viewed the body would not have been able to tell who it was. So, an elaborate funeral service of the sort a king would have was held.

Grandiose tomb was built, there matters remained.
ED 11 died, so Ed 111 ordered changes to the tomb, which was screened off for this work. It would have been easy in all the changes to replace the body of the real ex-king already there for the real corpse of ED 11.

When the real king had been buried, the tomb was made even more magnificent.

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Re Edward II, for anyone interested I would always recommend the fascinating Isabella & the Strange Death of Edward II - https://www.amazon.co.uk/Isabella-Stran ... 0786711930.

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