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 Post subject: Loving Your School
PostPosted: 03 Jan 2017, 16:51 
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One thing that always leaps out at me when I read school stories is how often a character says that they love their school and how proud they are of it. This is mainly because when I was at school, nobody seemed to like school at all let alone love it. I know that I certainly didn't! Admittedly, my own school days were tough (I attended two ordinary schools in a fairly poor working class area) but it still seems very strange to me that anyone can look at school as anything other than something to get through out of necessity.

Was it a generational thing? Was it a boarding school thing? Or was it just something made up by the authors to make their school sound perfect?


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 Post subject: Re: Loving Your School
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My school was quite nice as schools go, but no-one ever yelled "Up X High School" or said that they were "proud proud proud to belong to" it :lol: . In my experience, things like that are only said in books or if the school is for some reason being featured on a local news report!

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 Post subject: Re: Loving Your School
PostPosted: 03 Jan 2017, 19:47 
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I liked my school as, I'm sure, did many of my friends. But it wouldn't have been cool to go around saying so. Everyone moaned about how awful it was. That was the done thing.


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 Post subject: Re: Loving Your School
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Totally. Saying you liked school would have put you in the same category as a swot or a teacher's pet :shock: :lol: . So uncool!

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 Post subject: Re: Loving Your School
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It would have been sad in the extreme to express any praise of our school among ourselves, but naturally we thought it was better than any of the others in the area!


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 Post subject: Re: Loving Your School
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Some people did scream out the name of our school when we were forced to go outside and watch hockey matches... I disliked that almost as much as having to watch the matches! And if we were on excursions there was always the song - did anyone else sing this? "Everywhere we go, people always ask us, who we are, where do we come from, and we always tell them, we're from (school name)" - each part sung by one person and then repeated VERY LOUDLY by the entire coach.

Aside from that, there was really no attempt made to big up our school or claim any kind of pride in it!


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 Post subject: Re: Loving Your School
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I think the idea of loving your school would be a boarding school thing - particularly at a time when children were there because of parents abroad/India/Africa etc, the school became the surrogate family.
RF Delderfield in To Serve Them All My Days (a boarding school story but from a master's point of view) has one of the characters (Brigadier Cooper - bluff ex soldier and now school governor) talking to the main character David Powlett-Jones when the school was suffering under Alcock, the new Head master, saying:

"Place means a lot to me PJ"
" More than Alcock or Powlett-Jones I imagine?"
"Yes I would say so - but that's how it should be with a man's school. Thought about it a lot when I was in Mespot (Mesopotamia) sweating it out in temperatures of 100+. Always seemed a bit of home somehow"

This seems to be how the girls ( and some of the staff) view it as well.

Those of us who went to day schools didn't have the same relationship with our school/teachers - except perhaps those whose home life was chaotic or dysfunctional or abusive for whom school became a refuge - a place of safety.

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 Post subject: Re: Loving Your School
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And if we were on excursions there was always the song - did anyone else sing this? "Everywhere we go...

That's one of the songs sung by the Barmy Army - England cricket fans on tour.

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that's how it should be with a man's school. Thought about it a lot when I was in Mespot (Mesopotamia) sweating it out in temperatures of 100+. Always seemed a bit of home somehow

There's a similar feeling, though less explicitly stated, in Stalky & Co, isn't there.

My school was only ten years old when I started there, so there hadn't been time to build up any kind of school ethos (since we didn't have Madge or Gisela or Joey to establish traditions!). We weren't particularly good at games - the football First XI was regularly trashed by some of the older, more up market boys' schools in the area - and my friends and I didn't care about games anyway. And there wasn't anything else special about us as a school.


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 Post subject: Re: Loving Your School
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Carrie A wrote:
I think the idea of loving your school would be a boarding school thing - particularly at a time when children were there because of parents abroad/India/Africa etc, the school became the surrogate family.
RF Delderfield in To Serve Them All My Days (a boarding school story but from a master's point of view) has one of the characters (Brigadier Cooper - bluff ex soldier and now school governor) talking to the main character David Powlett-Jones when the school was suffering under Alcock, the new Head master, saying:

"Place means a lot to me PJ"
" More than Alcock or Powlett-Jones I imagine?"
"Yes I would say so - but that's how it should be with a man's school. Thought about it a lot when I was in Mespot (Mesopotamia) sweating it out in temperatures of 100+. Always seemed a bit of home somehow"

This seems to be how the girls ( and some of the staff) view it as well.

Those of us who went to day schools didn't have the same relationship with our school/teachers - except perhaps those whose home life was chaotic or dysfunctional or abusive for whom school became a refuge - a place of safety.


I'm currently reading Ysenda Maxwell Graham's book in which she interviews women who went to English boarding schools between the 1930s and 1970s. Very few of them seem to remember their schooldays or teachers with fondness or happiness. Quite a depressing read in some ways. :(


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 Post subject: Re: Loving Your School
PostPosted: 06 Jan 2017, 17:58 
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I detested school and suspect that the attitude so frequently found in GO books is a complete fabrication! But I always liked the idea of going to a school you loved so perhaps it was an aspirational sort of thing rather than a reality. GO books are generally full of loyalty in all sorts of ways so I suppose it was just another sort.

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 Post subject: Re: Loving Your School
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I loved school from the start but it wasn't in the sense of being proud to be there. It was the explosion of stuff that filled my little eager head and kept me excited about everything, particularly history. I also loved the grammar school, again from the point of view of having people fill my brain with such wonders, none of the Play up, School stuff - which we didn't do anyway. After O levels I wish I'd known I could have gone to the local tech and done A levels instead of all the rubbish stuff like Civics, games, PE, and singing. But there would have been boys there and that would have terrified me anyway!

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 Post subject: Re: Loving Your School
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And if we were on excursions there was always the song - did anyone else sing this? "Everywhere we go, people always ask us, who we are, where do we come from, and we always tell them, we're from (school name)" - each part sung by one person and then repeated VERY LOUDLY by the entire coach.

This is similar to something a circle of older girls in my grade school practiced singing on the playground circa 1965-
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We are the __ __,
Mighty mighty __ __,
Everywhere we go-o,
People wanna kno-ow,
Who we a-are,
So we tell 'em....

(repeated I'm not sure how many times, until they would switch over to "Our team is red hot (clap, clap)// Your team is all shot.")
I'm still not sure whether they were CYO cheerleaders, wannabes, or working to please that year's once-a-week gym teacher, who had everyone learning cheers and practicing the school song ("__ __, we're all behind you...") for a spring exhibition. I also ultimately managed to twirl a baton without dropping it, but after that year the cheering craze gave way to hula hoops.

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 Post subject: Re: Loving Your School
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This is the Barmy Army's version:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtrnqL2yct8

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Our team is red hot (clap, clap)// Your team is all shot

If the BA sung that, I think they'd be changing the vowel in 'shot'.


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 Post subject: Re: Loving Your School
PostPosted: 07 Jan 2017, 21:36 
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I loved school, especially primary school and my favourite teacher who inspired me to be a teacher and has inspired me as a writer.
Secondary school I also loved at the time, though now I think in a co-ed school, the girls were sidelined. But the teachers became friends and gave me life long memories. Just last year I went to my English teachers funeral, fifty six years after she left our school for another post.
While never as exciting as the CS, my education gave me values, friends I still see often and great pleasure.

Yes I think I did love my schools!


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 Post subject: Re: Loving Your School
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JayB wrote:
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And if we were on excursions there was always the song - did anyone else sing this? "Everywhere we go...

That's one of the songs sung by the Barmy Army - England cricket fans on tour.



Gods! Wonder how that made its way to us!

I can just about remember another one going "we are the (school name) girls, we wear our hair in curls..." but that's all I remember of it, and we definitely didn't, by the way.


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whitequeen wrote:
And if we were on excursions there was always the song - did anyone else sing this? "Everywhere we go, people always ask us, who we are, where do we come from, and we always tell them, we're from (school name)" - each part sung by one person and then repeated VERY LOUDLY by the entire coach.


Older daughter came home from Guide camp singing this. I also remember walking through London with our Brownies singing the song..........

I hated primary school

I liked secondary school and am a member of the old girls association


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 Post subject: Re: Loving Your School
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I liked learning but had a bully of a teacher in primary school and was bullied in secondary modern.....I would never attend any kind of Reunion .


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 Post subject: Re: Loving Your School
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What is the difference between loving your school and being proud of your school?

I was proud of my secondary school and even more proud of the school I went to for sixth form, but I don't think love is an emotion that came into it.


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 Post subject: Re: Loving Your School
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What is the difference between loving your school and being proud of your school?

Could it just be a matter of wordchoice, and the personality of the girl saying it? Schoolgirl Joey, Grizel, Margia et al were all quite unsentimental; saying they loved their school might be considered soppy, even if they really did love it. But it might be OK to be proud of it.


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 Post subject: Re: Loving Your School
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I hated my school because I was bullied all the way through it, to the point where I changed classes in Year 9 - not that it helped much, I still got picked on - and I didn't go to my reunion. I was proud when the school wind band won a competition, but that was it. I think being proud of your school is more of a sports thing. I did like the concerts and some of my teachers, but that was it.


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