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PostPosted: 08 Jan 2017, 22:37 
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Just a thought I had when I was reading the GGB introduction to Summer Term, defending the Swiss books from the view that they are formulaic. Another thing I hear a lot is that people seem to think that it is unkind of Joey to have the Trips board when they live next door.

I scanned a few books and couldn't find any instances of the Trips expressing any opinion on this matter, so it seems to me quite possible that the Trips not only enjoyed boarding, but actually preferred to. Settled in my new room at my own school, I certainly feel more a part of the school, and I can imagine feeling left out if I went home and my friends didn't. The real fun of boarding school, in my experience, and from what I read in CS books, is in the evenings, when lessons are over, and one has the spare time to have fun with one's friends, as opposed to at home, by oneself. There is something of chaos at a boarding school, and that's fun, a lot more fun than at home. It pushes you together with the other girls, as you have to share living space, and it allows you to get to know other people better as you see what they do in their spare time, and how they decorate their rooms, etc.

One final detail I will add is that one girl in my form lives five minutes away, and boards, and another walks home at weekends, so I'm not alone in preferring to board. A lot of day girls eventually become boarders.

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I bet Hilda, Nell and Rosalie sometimes privately muttered that it was a cheek that the triplets got free bed and board when they only lived next door, on top of free education :lol:. However, from the triplets' point of view, I think every other pupil in the school, other than Sue Meadows, was a boarder in the Swiss years, and most people hate being the odd one(s) out at school. It would have been very weird if everyone else was having the full Chalet School Experience and they were the only three who weren't. If it had been a mixed day/boarding school and a lot of other people also went home after lessons, that would have been different.

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The CS didn't really do daygirls, after the first term, did it? The few times there were day girls, there were special circumstances, such as when Barbara was supposed to be a daygirl in her first term.

Hilda really didn't like Sue Meadows being a daygirl, because of the amount of school she missed when the weather was bad. I don't suppose she'd have wanted being a daygirl to be an option open to anyone who lived locally, and she wouldn't want it to look as if the triplets were being given special treatment.

From the girls' point of view, you couldn't be a dormy prefect if you were a daygirl, it would be more difficult to be a form prefect, and you probably wouldn't be able to be a school prefect because there'd be a lot of jobs you wouldn't be able to do.

And you wouldn't be there for things like the Saturday evening entertainments. You would tend to feel out of things.

My nephew went to a school that was day and boarding. He opted to be a full daily boarder, which meant he stayed at school for prep, tea and evening activities and really only went home to sleep. When the family moved, he was given the choice of staying at that school as a fulltime boarder, or going to a new school near the family's new home. He opted to stay as a boarder.


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I think being the only students not boarding would be frustrating for the girls, and for the staff, too, as the school really isn't set up for day girls.

Although the triplets being day girls comes up multiple times in the series. In Three Go, the triplets and Mary-Lou are day girls until part way through the term, and I can't think of any other similar cases, as the rest of the students are all boarders. And in Coming of Age, the triplets are day girls just for that term, so that old girls have more places to stay at the school, which just seems illogical all-round. Let the girls stay in their dorms, and put up the extra old-girls at Freudesheim for the few days they are visiting.

I could see there being a place for day girls in Switzerland, though. I can see people being there for the San, and wanting their child to be able to spend the evenings and weekends with their parents, rather than the occasional short visits that fit in the school schedule. Or for families that can't afford San fees and boarding school feels (like the Everetts), but could manage day-school fees to continue the kids' education. Or kids of doctors at the San, who didn't have the private means that would be needed to afford full CS fees.

The one that does puzzle me a bit is the weekly boarders at the CS kindergarten. The kindergarten is specifically started for the needs of local children of the doctors and patients, so a day school would make sense. And the younger Maynards are packed off at age five, which is pretty young for boarding school, particularly if it weren't necessary.

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Aren't Daisy and Robin day girls in Guernsey? IIRC, the reason given for Daisy living with the Maynards rather than the Russells is so that she and Daisy can cycle to school together. That always seems strange to me: if they were going by bike rather than on foot, it was obviously quite a distance, and in the winter of 1939/1940 they'd have been going through the blackout with the potential risk of accidents.

Or was it because Joey wanted Robin to help around the house? Robin only went in part time in Armishire, so that she could help babysit the triplets :banghead: .

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I wonder sometimes if the Trips actually realised how much special treatment they got, as a result of being Joey's daughters, and living next door. Popping home at frequent intervals, Mamma and Papa always on call.....

There's one bit that sticks with me from 'Richenda' - Joey goes to England and will be away for the Trips birthday. Universal horror at the thought of a birthday without their family around them - did they not realise that they were suddenly in the same position as their friends, most of whom would never have their parents on hand for birthdays? Its at times like that when I wanted to shout at them and ask if they knew how lucky they were!

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I think that they preferred to board. Weren't they day-girls in Barbara once they got over whatever it was they were suffering from, but became boarders in Does it Again and seemed rather pleased about it? But I agree that they really did get the best of both worlds, since they boarded but could always go home as soon as anything became the least bit difficult. When Len is recovering from flu in Does it Again she goes home for pampering, which isn't available to any of the other girls.

I suppose in many ways it is replicating the position with Jo when she was at school. At the beginning, school and home really were the same place, and she looked on the school as much as her home as Die Rosen. But there is the same idea that she can go home at times when the others don't - she often goes up to the Sonnalpe for weekends, but you don't hear of the other local girls having odd weekends at home just because they feel like it.

I think that in Armishire, there were supposed to be quite a lot of day girls, as there were for the brief term in Guernsey, even if you don't, for obvious reasons, hear much about them apart from those living with Joey or Madge. The Chesters etc, for example, were probably day girls in Guernsey.


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I think that for the triplets sake it was better that they were boarders otherwise more of the chores and child care would have fallen upon them.


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My mother in law was sent to a local boarding school specifically so she wouldn't be pulled out of her day school to care for her younger siblings. She was one of the older girls in a family of 14 and I think her father spotted how things might go if she stayed at home.


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I think that for the triplets sake it was better that they were boarders otherwise more of the chores and child care would have fallen upon them.


Did they reallly do that many chores and childcare? I cannot remember anything exceptional except being hauled out of school in Triplets.


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I think it would just be the natural effect of a large family - the older ones would be expected to pitch in to help with the younger. And by the end of the series, if the girls weren't boarders, there would be Felicity, Erica and Cecily also at school, plus Phyll, Geoff and Claire in the nursery. So I suspect there would be a lot of supervising the younger girls' homework and getting them ready in the morning, and helping get the younger ones into bed, and entertaining them on the weekends or if Joey were feeling poorly.

Len, in particular, gets a lot of that at school, as a dormitory and school prefect, but it's a more organized system, and it's arranged to not get in the way of her own schoolwork and activities.

If the Freudesheim crowd all attended day school, though, I suspect adopting random children on top of their own eleven kids would have been a lot less appealing.

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Did they reallly do that many chores and childcare? I cannot remember anything exceptional except being hauled out of school in Triplets.


It is mentioned quite often especially in the later holiday books the amount of helping out the trips do. In Richenda, they automatically make plans to look after the younger kids and Charles even turns to Len instead of his parents when he wakes up feeling ill in Joey and Co in Tyrol.

So it would make sense that if the Trips did go home every day they would be expected to help out in the afternoon/evening until the younger kids are in bed, and only then could they do their homework.

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I don't think it would necessarily be that bad. joey does seem quite fair about it. There is the scene in Ruey when Len asks her mother permission to stay home and visit Miss Annersley instead of going on the planned trip and Joey states you are not staying home to help out with the kids and is very insistent on it. So she is reasonable about it and I think of balance of helping and free time is the norm in most families and isn't unreasonable of any parent

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I'd have thought boarding would be better for them because they'd get to be with their friends and not miss out on evening entertainments. And as Head Girl / dormitory prefect, Len has to be a boarder anyway.


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Joyce wrote:
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Did they reallly do that many chores and childcare? I cannot remember anything exceptional except being hauled out of school in Triplets.


It is mentioned quite often especially in the later holiday books the amount of helping out the trips do. In Richenda, they automatically make plans to look after the younger kids and Charles even turns to Len instead of his parents when he wakes up feeling ill in Joey and Co in Tyrol.

So it would make sense that if the Trips did go home every day they would be expected to help out in the afternoon/evening until the younger kids are in bed, and only then could they do their homework.

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But surely in Richenda they helped out with the younger kids because Joey was ill and it was much the same in Joey & Co. Charles went to Len because they had been told not to worry Joey. Unfair I know.

Len could ,and maybe should, have gone to Anna for help.

When Joey first went to Switzerland she actually had quite a lot of help. She had the Coadjutor for the baby twins and Beth Chester for Charles and Michael. Stephen was at school.

I don't know how it would have panned out later on but she might have had more help if the older childen lived at home.

I don't think the triplets were ever given more to do than the Bettany girls might have done in the same circumstances.

I do think it was unfair that Len had to come to Joey's rescue in Joey & Co when Joey keels over. I cannot remember though if that was just Len or the other two triplets as well. Probably the three of them.

Joey's fainting was probably as a result of Michael's escapade on top of having given birth to twins fairly recently.

It was ridiculous Jo having 11 children when she could not really cope with that many. The youngest twins should have been ditched and perhaps Felix who always strikes me only as a slightly cleverer version of Mike. I think six or seven would have been a better number. My opinion only though!


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I think Len's behaviour in Joey & Co is ridiculous. I know she means well, but, if your parents tell you not to disturb them, they mean not to talk loudly first thing in the morning, or come barging in to complain that your sibling's nicked your favourite toy or you want a glass of water. They do not mean not to call them if one of you is in intense pain. Len seems to be so programmed to follow instructions to the letter that she doesn't have the sense to realise that, in this case, she should go against what Jack said.

That was probably the school's fault. In Trials, when Emerence goes to call Matron because Margot is ill (with scarlet fever), Matron tells her off for using slang, asks why she was in the wrong dormitory, and only then asks what's actually wrong with Margot :roll:!

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I think Len's behaviour in Joey & Co is ridiculous. I know she means well, but, if your parents tell you not to disturb them, they mean not to talk loudly first thing in the morning, or come barging in to complain that your sibling's nicked your favourite toy or you want a glass of water. They do not mean not to call them if one of you is in intense pain.


It's more disturbing that Charles, despite the incredible pain he is in, is more concerned with not disturbing his mother. Joey should be ashamed of herself that the kid thinks like that - what would have happened if noone was there to help him? Would Charles have stayed in bed crying?

It's like the kids have had that well dinned into them that Joey is the most important person in the family. And Jack's pampering attitude towards his wife throughout their lives has only increased this attitude.

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I agree with you Joyce, Charles should have felt he could go to his mother, or father, when in pain and not remember Jack's orders to not disturb Joey.It does seem sometimes that it all revolves around Joey and the elder children are there to do the work. Len perhaps should have ignored it and gone but it was all about obedience wasn't it.
Can't remember, why did Jack tell them not to bother Joey?


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Joey had had a difficult pregnancy with Geoff and Phil, but had then gone off on a hike with some of the kids (as you do), during which Mike had fallen over a cliff (as you do), and she'd collapsed as a result of the strain. Mike, Felix, Felicity and Cecil had gone to stay with Madge, who said that Rosa would be delighted to have little girls to look after again (obviously Rosa was over the moon at suddenly having four extra kids dumped on her!). So Joey was supposed to be having a relaxing holiday ... during which she challenged super-fit rugby type Roger Richardson to a swimming race!

To be fair to Joey, she was very upset when she found out that Charles was ill and hadn't felt able to come to her. It was, IMO, partly Jack's fault for making such a big deal about how they mustn't disturb Joey, and partly Len's fault - Charles was only a young child, but she was nearly 15 - for not having the sense to realise that it was OK to disobey an instruction in the event of a medical crisis which Jack couldn't possibly have anticipated.

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They become used to looking after Mamma. Even on the train in Joey Goes they have to be quiet and good so that Jo can be tucked up to have a nap.


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