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PostPosted: 31 Jan 2017, 15:51 
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What do people think are the most over the top storylines of the series? I would like to put forward Joey becoming seriously ill/nearly dying in the early Tirol books; with a constitution like hers how did she not end up at the annexe or san?!


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Professor Richardson literally vanishing into thin air.

Robin being "set back more than a year" because Joey and the others were out overnight in bad weather.

Dacia Standish leaving Erica to the guardianship of someone she'd lost touch with over 20 years earlier and had only known for a few weeks in the first place, and not bothering to contact her about it in advance even though she knew the name of Joey's publishers and Joey's sister's school.

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PostPosted: 31 Jan 2017, 21:19 
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Not sure if it is 'over the top', but I always felt the storyline in Adrienne was mad. The one thing always mentioned is how much Robin looks like her mother, and yet, Adrienne is her father's second or third cousin! They are similar enough for people who haven't seen Robin for several years, and cannot have known her that well (Mary-Lou) to see the likeness.


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Not sure if it is 'over the top', but I always felt the storyline in Adrienne was mad. The one thing always mentioned is how much Robin looks like her mother, and yet, Adrienne is her father's second or third cousin! They are similar enough for people who haven't seen Robin for several years, and cannot have known her that well (Mary-Lou) to see the likeness.


Yes, always thought this was a crazy story!


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I like Redheads but the kidnapping of Val and handing her back drugged ( I think the main thing was to get Copper and make her a drug addict ) , to get revenge on her father was a bit of a shock and not very EBD like


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What do people think are the most over the top storylines of the series? I would like to put forward Joey becoming seriously ill/nearly dying in the early Tirol books; with a constitution like hers how did she not end up at the annexe or san?!


She nearly did! There's a bit in "And Jo" where Jem says she ought to be at the Annexe:
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The entire household breathed more quietly after the doctor slipped upstairs, and returned to report that she was fast asleep. ‘She needs it,’ he said gravely to his wife, when they were alone. ‘I doubt if she slept much last night; and we must remember what a severe illness she had last autumn. In some ways, I have been wondering if it wouldn’t be as well to have her up here when you open the annexe.’
Madge turned eyes of horror on him. ‘Jem! Jo isn’t ill?’


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Not a fan of CS Does it Again partly because I did not see the point of Prunella pretending to be prim and proper. So long since I read the book maybe there was a logical explanation. Also seem to remember Len had an OTT reaction when she had a fall-out with Prunella maintaining Prunella had insulted her parents. To be fair though Len was ill at the time. Thought the incidents blown-out of all proportion though.


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For sheer scientific implausibility, I'd have to go with Professor Richardson, an absent minded astronomer, managing to build a spacecraft, survive a first launch failure, and then actually make it out of the earth's gravitational well. It's almost 60 years later, and multi-million dollar private companies are still trying to do this. Second runner up, Robin looks like her mother, Adrienne looks like Robin, Adrienne and Robin are distantly related through their fathers.

For overall confused plot lines, most of Redheads - a multi-generational, multi-continental criminal family, convoluted revenge plans, coincidental meetings, kidnapping followed by leaving the victim drugged, on a train, with a valid ticket in her pocket, and the oblivious incompetence of the people who are supposed to be protecting Flavia.

For "what were they thinking", Erica's mother leaving her to someone she hasn't communicated with in 20 years and doesn't know the location of, followed by Erica running into Joey on the street in England, and Joey scooping her up and taking her across international borders, combined with Joey picking up a random infant after a train crash, and carrying her across international borders with the hope of adopting her, to find out later that the father is dead in tragic circumstances, the mother is an orphan, and the father's aristocratic family wants nothing to do with their low-born relative. (When the much more probable situation is that there is a live father or other family somewhere, frantic with worry, who will freak out when they find out their child has been carted off to another country by a stranger).

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Not a fan of CS Does it Again partly because I did not see the point of Prunella pretending to be prim and proper. So long since I read the book maybe there was a logical explanation. Also seem to remember Len had an OTT reaction when she had a fall-out with Prunella maintaining Prunella had insulted her parents. To be fair though Len was ill at the time. Thought the incidents blown-out of all proportion though.


Prunella's behaviour makes a bit of sense: she was living with her grandmother, who allowed her to talk as she liked and become slangy, only to find herself abruptly back with her parents after the grandmother's sudden death, and her parents hated her use of slang and pulled her up sharply about it. When she doesn't improve (or improve as fast as they would like) they send her off to school, and write to the school to tell them what Prunella is like. Prunella accidentally overhears her mother telling her uncle about what the school should expect and does the exact opposite of what her mother had warned, hence the very prim language.

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Even as a child the Gertrud(e) storyline in Exile seemed a little far fetched. Would the Nazi regime really have sent a schoolgirl out to spy on a school?


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I think they might have done, but even as a kid couldn't quite understand quite what the Nazis wanted to spy on the CS for...

I do like Redheads, but the revenge plot is so over-elaborate it makes me laugh! And everyone seems surprisingly relaxed about Val's disappearance, as well.


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I like Redheads although it's a bit mad. I think it shows EBD's sense of justice.


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Audrey25 wrote:
Not a fan of CS Does it Again partly because I did not see the point of Prunella pretending to be prim and proper. So long since I read the book maybe there was a logical explanation. Also seem to remember Len had an OTT reaction when she had a fall-out with Prunella maintaining Prunella had insulted her parents. To be fair though Len was ill at the time. Thought the incidents blown-out of all proportion though.


Prunella's behaviour makes a bit of sense: she was living with her grandmother, who allowed her to talk as she liked and become slangy, only to find herself abruptly back with her parents after the grandmother's sudden death, and her parents hated her use of slang and pulled her up sharply about it. When she doesn't improve (or improve as fast as they would like) they send her off to school, and write to the school to tell them what Prunella is like. Prunella accidentally overhears her mother telling her uncle about what the school should expect and does the exact opposite of what her mother had warned, hence the very prim language.


Yes, I suppose that makes sense. Thank you!


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'In some ways, I have been wondering if it wouldn’t be as well to have her up here when you open the annexe.’
Madge turned eyes of horror on him. ‘Jem! Jo isn’t ill?’

I should think Juliet and Grizel would have been turning eyes of horror on Jem if he'd seriously suggested it! Jo would have been a nightmare at the Annexe.

She'd have been older than most of the others by quite a long way, nearer in age to Grizel and Juliet than she was to most of the pupils, but required to treat them as mistresses.

And while Jo wasn't the most conscientious student, she needed teaching in her own subjects to a higher standard than Juliet or Grizel could manage. So she'd have been bored in lessons.

No friends or companionship, which really wouldn't be fair to a gregarious person like Jo.

And at that stage in Jo's existence, I think it was better for her and Robin not to be living at close quarters all the time. Robin might have been smothered if Jo had been living with her full time and had nothing else to occupy herself with.


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When it's started, the Annexe is all twelve and under, and Joey is fifteen turning sixteen at this point.

In some ways, she might have been better off in a day school situation. Outside of school, she'd have family keeping a close eye on her health, energy and moods, and it would be much easier to react to than with the regimentation of a boarding school.

I agree that Juliet and Grizel wouldn't have been able to handle her. Grizel's only two or three years older than her, and the two tend to grate on each other. I can't see Joey accepting her as an authority figure. Even Juliet is only about four years older.

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If Jo had to live on the Sonnalpe she could easily have left school at going on seventeen and read English and History at home. As other people have said, Juliet and Grizel couldn't have taught her. Who did teach English, History, Science etc? In School At Grizel is fourteen and Juliet about fourteen, so J's age must have accelerated to allow her to enter university at the end of Princess for her two-year (?) degree.


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Doesn't EBD mention somewhere that mistresses from the main school visit the Annexe? I have no idea when they are supposed to find the time to do this, but I think it's said at one point.


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Wasn't Juliet fifteen in School At? She could have been nearly sixteen, and about to turn eighteen at the end of Princess, thus old enough to start university that autumn.

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If Jo had to live on the Sonnalpe she could easily have left school at going on seventeen and read English and History at home.

Wasn't it originally the plan that she would leave school at sixteen, then it was decided she should have another year? I recall her saying something to that effect when she was appointed HG.

Possibly Madge didn't want a moody teenager with not enough to do hanging round Die Rosen when she had her hands full already, with the nursery, the house, and being Frau Doktor Russell.

I don't think it would have been good for Jo anyway, to be stuck up at the Sonnalpe with no companions her own age. And I'm not sure she would have been disciplined enough at that age to undertake a serious programme of reading without some direction and oversight.


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I'm not sure the quality or availability of suitable teaching at the Annexe would have been considered to be an issue. Victorian thinking would have held that someone (particularly a woman) who was "delicate" would have been unfit for much education. Had Joey gone to the Annexe she'd have probably been left very much to her own reading and there'd have been an emphasis on "resting" and "fresh air" (and probably much creamy milk). In reality, it would have been little different to leaving school.

There's a comment in one of the books that Briesau, where she known to everyone and everyone knows her, was dearer to Joey than the Sonnaple with its burden of sorrow. There's also the implication that Joey is too imaginative to live close to the San. That, in itself, would be a good reason for her not to go to the Annexe.


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Even EBD admits the Adrienne storyline is a bit overdrawn with Joey saying if it was in a book noone would believe it!

I have heard of even more amazing coincidences in real life so I would believe that it can happen once. But it's the combination of Joey and Erica, then Adrienne, then the two Sams who discover they are related, which just gets a bit too much.

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