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 Post subject: The Dick Bettanys
PostPosted: 06 Feb 2017, 21:09 
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I'm reading Oberland at the moment and it is mentioned there how some families were unable to fund the year in Switzerland; Nell Randolph for example has her fees paid by Miss Annersley. Peggy Bettany is not mentioned as being one of those students whichmeans her family must have paid full fees (or none at all!). This made me think about how the Bettany fmamily could afford to send all of their children to boarding school. I can't remember any mention of wealth except for the inheritance of the quadrant. Whilst it's clear how the Maynards and Russells made their money, itis less clear with the Bettanys. Would Dick's job in India been that well paid?


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 Post subject: Re: The Dick Bettanys
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I imagine it would be well paid and probably a golden handshake/pension when he left the Forestry. Wouldn't Mollie inherit money or a legacy? Her father was Dick's boss.


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 Post subject: Re: The Dick Bettanys
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As a Bettany, Dick would have been a shareholder in the school, so his daughters would have had free education at the CS. Remember, all or most of the money from the sale of the house went to founding the CS, so Dick was entitled to equal shares with Madge and Jo.

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I was under the impression that the Bettany (and Maynard) girls attended the CS free of charge ... but that still leaves the three boys, and Winchester must have cost a fortune. They got the house for free, though, so they could have invested anything they'd saved in India, plus whatever pay-off Dick got.

ETA - obviously the appropriate adjustments would have been made in the school's accounts to reflect the fact that the girls were getting an expensive education without any cash changing hands, as otherwise the MBR clan would have been fiddling their taxes and naturally they would not have dreamt of doing such a heinous thing :wink: .

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Probably, Dick inherited a generous private income along with The Quadrant.... he doesn't seem to work, other than managing the estate, after they inherit and go to live there, does he?

And yes, I concur with the gold-plated pension and ample settlement from Mollie's parents.


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Probably, Dick inherited a generous private income along with The Quadrant.... he doesn't seem to work, other than managing the estate, after they inherit and go to live there, does he?


Yeah, I always assumed he had a lovely private income. And doesn't he talk about having an agent at some point, so maybe the Quadrant comes with land that he farms or rents out?

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 Post subject: Re: The Dick Bettanys
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Must have been quite nice for Dick to have ended up with a huge house in a lovely part of the country, land and enough money to manage it all.

I know Rix became a doctor, John /Jackie/Noel went to sea but did EBD ever say that Maurice was going to help his father managing his land?


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In Tom Tackles, I get the impression that the Bettanys are coming back from India because of the inheritance, implying that he no longer needs his salary in the Forestry.

Thinking about it, though, Rix would be fourteen and Jackie twelve, so both of them would already be well into hefty public school fees before that. Would his type of job include an education allowance for the kids back home? Otherwise, given that his salary in School At wasn't sufficient to support Joey and Madge, Mollie must have brought money into the marriage.

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 Post subject: Re: The Dick Bettanys
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I think Dick's getting his money from the CS - as Jennie pointed out. It's a goldmine!


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 Post subject: Re: The Dick Bettanys
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I think this is EBD being vague about money.

The Woods and Forests paid less well (and were not as pukka) as the Indian Civil Service. Other people writing about these dates (and earlier) comment on things like parents struggling to find school fees. Equally, there are various mentions of people struggling on their pensions (one problem being that pensions were paid in rupee equivalents so the exchange rate could have a dramatic impact on people trying to live in the UK). If the Bettanys were managing several sets of school fees then the money must have been coming from investment in the CS and/or Mollie's family, and it's doubtful that he would have had that much of a pension.

Also, by this stage, the W&F was starting to replace European staff with locals. Dick may not have had much choice as to whether he came home or not!

Dick certainly settles down as a landed farmer and there are no complaints about not having enough money to keep up the land. Of course, there was a farming boom during the war and immediate post war years so perhaps the land was doing well but EBD does have mention at the same time of someone's father who's got family land but is short of money - a much more realistic scenario.

It comes back to how much of the financial aspects would have been of interest to the target audience. Better just to be vague about and only mention money if it's needed as a plot device


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I think people like Dick, who worked abroad, often had their children's boarding school fees paid for by their company.

Being married to the daughter of his boss might have helped, too :wink:


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 Post subject: Re: The Dick Bettanys
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Did EBD ever give any explanation for Dick, Mollie and younger twins going to Australia, after India. I do have a vague recollection that it was continuation of his forestry work but I could be wrong. EBD might have been better saying that the uncle who left Dick the Quadrant also had investments in Australia which then needed attention after the uncle's death.

Maybe I have imagined it all and Dick never was in Australia but I think the problem was EBD brought the family back from India in the "annuals" which went on to become Tom Tackles and which were not published as a book until after Barbara.

In the mainstream series the four elder Bettany children seem to continue to live with Madge. They certainly seem to be there in Three Go although the parents and younger twins are definitely back in England by Peggy. I am almost certain the Bettanys are in Australia at one point though.


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 Post subject: Re: The Dick Bettanys
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I pretty much ignore the Australia reference. :D

In Tom Tackles, they return to England, Dick inherits a big house, and he leaves the forestry.

In Three Go, a couple of years later in story time, Dick is still in the Forestry, and

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They, and Mr. And Mrs. Bettany, were coming to England next spring, and Maeve and Maurice would probably join the party at the Round House, for Mr. Bettany -Uncle Dick - was in the Forestry Department in India, and Mrs. Bettany - Auntie Mollie - always went with him.


But by next spring, at the start of Island, the family is well established in the Quadrant, and people are talking about visiting them.

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