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 Post subject: Marraine
PostPosted: 25 Mar 2017, 10:48 
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You know how these things just pop into your head....
I'm doing a crossword and the word 'marraine' fitted the spaces - wrong answer, but it reminded me, I know in the CS somewhere Len (I think) either addresses or refers to her Godmother (Bill?) thus - I'll never pin it down, is it used more than once, and where? Someone with better mental filing than me, help please!


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 Post subject: Re: Marraine
PostPosted: 25 Mar 2017, 12:26 
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Is it in a scene not long after the school has moved to the Oberland, (can't remember which book) where they meet the Welsen girls for swimming by the lake? Nell is there, and Len hasn't seen her for a while, Grace Nalder is also there, Margot's godmother, but I think it's only Len that says Marraine. I thinkshe may say it also on other occasions.


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 Post subject: Re: Marraine
PostPosted: 25 Mar 2017, 21:21 
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EJO uses it on several occasions; it is the French for godmother.

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 Post subject: Re: Marraine
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I never understood why Len should use a French term to Nell but this is EBD! :lol:


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 Post subject: Re: Marraine
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thefrau46 wrote:
I never understood why Len should use a French term to Nell but this is EBD! :lol:


A by-product of living in Canada? If Len wrote Nell in French, she would have used the term and it stuck.

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 Post subject: Re: Marraine
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I'm getting an idea that this happens in Does It Again. I might be wrong though.


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The scene you're thinking of isin Kenya, when the main school and Welsen meet at the beach.

I also find it in Joey goes to the Oberland, with Tessa using it to Joey, and in Problem, in the same context.

The Temple girls also use it in reference to the Madame Ozanne with whom they lived for a while.

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thefrau46 wrote:
I never understood why Len should use a French term to Nell but this is EBD! :lol:


Maybe it was French day?

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KB wrote:
thefrau46 wrote:
I never understood why Len should use a French term to Nell but this is EBD! :lol:


Maybe it was French day?

:D I like that idea although I suppose the other explanation might be possible too. Thanks for the answers.


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 Post subject: Re: Marraine
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It could be that she didn't want to call her Auntie Nell, since the whole school was around her and Miss Wilson would have been the correct form of address, so marraine (can be written with small or capital letter) may have been a way out for Len to be informal, but not too much so.

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I think EBD just liked the word :lol:. When Jean de Bersac's born, we're told that Jack Maynard's going to be his parrain. Using the term there does make a bit more sense as the de Bersacs are French, but it still sounds odd to use a French term in the middle of an English sentence, rather than just saying that Jack's going to be his godfather.

What I find odd is the way Jo Scott refers to Jo Maynard as "Godmother", on the grounds that her mum has told her to regard her BFF Jo (even though the two of them barely knew each other at school) as an unofficial godmother. Calling a family friend auntie or uncle is fair enough, but it seems a bit weird to refer to someone as "Godmother" when they're not your godmother. Or is it just me :lol:?

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 Post subject: Re: Marraine
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I refer to my Godparents as aunt and uncle.


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 Post subject: Re: Marraine
PostPosted: 27 Mar 2017, 13:38 
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I think Jo Scott referring to Joey as Godmother sounds incredibly stilted. Maybe that was why most of the time EBD has people using the much nicer sounding 'Marraine'!


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Calling someone "Guardian" sounds really stilted to me, as well. I wish Polly's guardian had told her to call him Uncle Whatever!

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 Post subject: Re: Marraine
PostPosted: 27 Mar 2017, 15:17 
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Some of the references in this thread (Jack being a parrain, for instance) are unfamiliar to me, I'd guess they were cut out of the PBs. But thanks to all, the scene I had in mind is the Welsen-at-the-beach one. It strikes very oddly on my ear when she is usually 'Aunty Nell' - I agree that Marraine is just a word EBD liked!


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 Post subject: Re: Marraine
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Liz K wrote:
I refer to my Godparents as aunt and uncle.


I never had any choice since my aunts and uncle were my godparents!


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It seems odd as godparent is a role that someone has to formally accept when the child is baptized - it's not something that's casually tacked on to someone like honorary aunt and uncle designation.

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 Post subject: Re: Marraine
PostPosted: 29 Mar 2017, 12:11 
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Alison H wrote:
I think EBD just liked the word :lol:. When Jean de Bersac's born, we're told that Jack Maynard's going to be his parrain. Using the term there does make a bit more sense as the de Bersacs are French, but it still sounds odd to use a French term in the middle of an English sentence, rather than just saying that Jack's going to be his godfather.

What I find odd is the way Jo Scott refers to Jo Maynard as "Godmother", on the grounds that her mum has told her to regard her BFF Jo (even though the two of them barely knew each other at school) as an unofficial godmother. Calling a family friend auntie or uncle is fair enough, but it seems a bit weird to refer to someone as "Godmother" when they're not your godmother. Or is it just me :lol:?


No, not just you Alison. I don't have any godparents but I can't imagine calling them godmother or godfather if I did. Much more likely to have been Aunt or Uncle Whatever.

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As a child, I called my godparents Uncle Alun, Auntie Joan and Auntie Barbara. My godfather died some years ago, but ever since University, and at their invitation, I call both my godmothers by their first name only. To me, this seems quite normal.

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I called both my godmothers by their first names, but for some reason addressed my godfather - who was no relation, I believe he was a work colleague of my father's and they became friends - as "Uncle J".


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