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 Post subject: Re: Margot Venables Prize.
PostPosted: 22 Jul 2017, 11:48 
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The Dimsie books have the system which I never came across in real life until university, but which seems to be becoming more common in schools now, in which people actually put themselves forward for election and run a campaign. Trebizon does that with choosing the captain of each year's hockey team, and it gets really nasty and bitchy and personal, with girls putting up posters saying horrible things about other candidates :shock:. Jack Lambert would have got well stuck into that ...


From reading the magazine, I gather that this is what now happens at my old school, although I'm not sure how much campaigning actually goes on.

The head girl and boy and their deputies put themselves forward and have to write an essay about their vision for the school and plans/hopes/aspirations for their year of service if elected. They are then interviewed by the Head and the Board of Governors. At some point they also address the school (possibly in year groups), which could be similar to political hustings. The school then votes, but the Head and the Governors have the final say.

To bring it back to CS land, it just occurred to me that, in my day at least, the choice of head girl/boy and prefects was made at Easter, and the new school officials took on their roles from the summer term until Easter of the following year. This seems to me eminently sensible, as it alleviates some of the pressure that could otherwise fall on those taking A levels - being a day school, those sitting A levels weren't around much during that final term, anyway.

I realise that in the early years at least, there was much less emphasis on exams at the CS, but this possibility obviously didn't occur to EBD, or at least she never acted on it, if it did.

I know there's a comment made in at least one book (someone else will know which!) about there being a completely new set of prefects. The way our school operated seems to me to be a much more sensible way of doing things.

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 Post subject: Re: Margot Venables Prize.
PostPosted: 22 Jul 2017, 13:24 
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My school had 'temporary prefects', who were selected from the Lower Sixth in the summer term. It was a pretty good guide as to who would be an actual prefect the following year.

Back then, you didn't leave school as soon as you'd finished your exams, so the actual prefects would resume their jobs for the last few weeks of term.

Prefectship didn't mean much at my school. You wore a tie with a blue stripe instead of a white stripe (on a navy background). The job was mainly chasing people out of the loos and other corners when they tried to avoid going out into the playground on cold days.

Oxbridge candidates were usually guaranteed prefectships.


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 Post subject: Re: Margot Venables Prize.
PostPosted: 22 Jul 2017, 14:25 
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I was a prefect but like Jayb it didn't mean much in our school.We got to wear a badge but really we didn't contribute much to the school running.


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 Post subject: Re: Margot Venables Prize.
PostPosted: 22 Jul 2017, 21:09 
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In my daughter's school in her final years between 2009-2011 being a prefect did mean a lot.

Some had to turn out at all parents evenings to count parents in and out and make tea for the teaching staff during the course of the evening. The house captains had regularly to present morning assemblies for the houses. There were "subject" prefects for languages, science etc who were meant to think up ideas to promote their subjects and to have various activities etc etc. My daughter was one of a group who re-organized the school library after they had been without a librarian for years and then kept it up to scratch.

I think Len did not get the Margot Venables prize (cruel changing the name and no reason to apart from the promotion of Joey) because it would have looked bad when she was Joey's daughter.

What actually did she do to deserve the prize though? She was great at helping at home but that would not qualify her for a school prize.

I think there was evidence from EBD's newsletters that Len would soon have overtaken Mary-Lou as EBD's second favourite pupil. EBD did state at one time they were her joint second favourites. She also made much of the fact Len was Joey's daughter.


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 Post subject: Re: Margot Venables Prize.
PostPosted: 23 Jul 2017, 02:47 
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I know there's a comment made in at least one book (someone else will know which!) about there being a completely new set of prefects. The way our school operated seems to me to be a much more sensible way of doing things.


It happens in Peggy when everyone else who could have been HG are conveniently shoved into Special Sixth or they leave school early, so she can be HG. I would have loved to see Natalie Mensch made HG but she goes to Special Sixth to study music.

Then the following year in Bride we have the same situation. So Loveday, who we have heard little about till that moment, is made HG.

That time it's because most the Sixth went to the Oberland branch and girls who had just been promoted from the fifth have to be prefects straight away.

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 Post subject: Re: Margot Venables Prize.
PostPosted: 03 Aug 2017, 13:50 
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Changing the name of the prize annoyed me so much. The girls should have been told where to go!

I wrote a drabble about it that's in the archives:

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"I understand that there is still one more prize to be given," he began. "Some years ago, Mrs Maynard established what is known as the Margot Venables Prize, which is given to the girl who most fulfils the ideal the pupils of the Chalet School have always held. Margot Venables, the mother of Daisy and Primula Venables was a very brave and good woman and worked as Matron before the school moved from the Tyrol. She was also responsible for safely escorting Lady Russell’s children across Europe after the Anschluss. Tragically she was not in good health at the time and was lost to us during her first months in Guernsey.

“You girls have asked that the prize be re-named as the Josephine Maynard Prize but it has been decided not to do that, for the sake of Margot herself who shouldn’t be forgotten. It’s less than twenty years after she passed away, after all! So I’m very sorry to disappoint anybody, but it will remain as the Margot Venables Prize. I will now call on that girl to come and receive from Mrs. Maynard the prize she has so richly deserved."


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 Post subject: Re: Margot Venables Prize.
PostPosted: 04 Aug 2017, 02:09 
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Margot Venables, the mother of Daisy and Primula Venables was a very brave and good woman and worked as Matron before the school moved from the Tyrol. She was also responsible for safely escorting Lady Russell’s children across Europe after the Anschluss. Tragically she was not in good health at the time and was lost to us during her first months in Guernsey.


The strange part about renaming the prize and thus disregarding Margot, is that EBD herself writes something very similar to Mia's story in Mary Lou.

Matron is telling the girls about Mademoiselle LaP (sorry, can't spell her name) and she asks the girls of the next generation, who barely remember her, to not forget what she did for the school and what it owes to her.

And then a few books later she has Margot erased from the school's history.

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 Post subject: Re: Margot Venables Prize.
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Like your drabble Mia, and that's what should have happened instead of the name change.
For a school where its history is so important to just wipe out the memory of someone is just not on, especially when there was no need, other than to push Joey forward.
Others have said they have seen prizes where no one knows who gave them anymore but it doesn't matter, the name is connected to the prize given and everyone knows that. ie, Fred Smith gave a cup for courage years ago, no one can remember Fred but they all know what that cup stands for.
I also find it unlikely that all the girls asked for the name change, why would they? Also, I actually find it unlikely that Joey herself would want the name change, and remember I don't like the adult Joey, but I feel she wouldn't want it.


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 Post subject: Re: Margot Venables Prize.
PostPosted: 05 Aug 2017, 14:17 
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I'm sure she wouldn't. The Venables family obviously meant a lot to her. Not only did she endow the prize, she also said that Margot's name (as opposed to any of the various other "shorts" of Margaret!) was in honour of Margot, and that it'd please Daisy.

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 Post subject: Re: Margot Venables Prize.
PostPosted: 05 Aug 2017, 18:09 
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Yes, she did.I think EBD did Joey a disservice with this one.


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 Post subject: Re: Margot Venables Prize.
PostPosted: 05 Aug 2017, 22:26 
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Joyce wrote:
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I've a very vague feeling that someone says although Prunella saved Margot she didn't qualify for the prize for some other reason.Can anyone else point any light on this?


Yeah, it's in Kenya when Jo is 'awarded' the MV prize.

Basically it is EBD plugging up a plot hole by having Miss Annersley say that even though Prunella saved Margot's life she didn't fulfil other conditions i.e. she wasn't helpful. Wow! that's a lovely thing to tell the girl in front of the whole school.

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I'm not sure that it's called anything in particular: yes, it's a school medal for acts of bravery since coming to the Oberland, and it was Nan Herbert's idea in Excitements for the School's Coming-of-Age celebrations. And yes, it's retrospectively awarded to Prunella (Does It Again), Jo Scott (Kenya), and Mary-Lou and Hilary (New Mistress) - and then I rather think we never hear of it again...


When Grizel saves Len's life there is talk about giving it to her even though she left school years ago, but then we never heard it again.

A medal like that is just asking for trouble though - what kind of school has so many dangerous situations that there is a special prize for saving another girl's life!

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Oh how true but I had never given that aspect a moment's thought!

I also agree with everyone saying Joey would not have approved of the name change. I don't think she would have let the school change the name.


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 Post subject: Re: Margot Venables Prize.
PostPosted: 06 Aug 2017, 13:37 
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I think the funds for the prize - at least intially were provided from the sales of a book dedicated to Margot Venables. MAybe the book went out of print, and Jo had to find some other source for the funds (which can't have been too big an outlay!) so she decided it was a good chance to change the name as well?

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 Post subject: Re: Margot Venables Prize.
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It's only awarded four times (that we hear of) in its history, isn't it? I doubt if Jo would need a dedicated source of money to fund it. It's not as if it's a large, ongoing outlay like a scholarship - which Jo also funds, in her own name. We're not told how that's funded, I don't think.

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Others have said they have seen prizes where no one knows who gave them anymore but it doesn't matter, the name is connected to the prize given and everyone knows that. ie, Fred Smith gave a cup for courage years ago, no one can remember Fred but they all know what that cup stands for.

Like the Prosser at Kingscote (a scholarship, in that case). Jan Scott vaguely knew about Alice Prosser, its founder. Nicola had never even heard of it, even though her sister was the most recent holder.


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A medal like that is just asking for trouble though - what kind of school has so many dangerous situations that there is a special prize for saving another girl's life!


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Oh how true but I had never given that aspect a moment's thought!


Not to mention the accident insurance required! :D

The only time in 12 years we even come close to saving someone was during a swimming lesson when one of the beginner swimmers accidentally fell into the deep end. She was swiftly rescued and taken out. Then we were all asked to kept quiet because the school didn't want the bad publicity.

There is no way these days the CS would not get a bad name for being a dangerous school and shut down or sued. They have life threatening accidents on a regular basis.

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One of the reasons given for St Scholastika's closing down is that so many worried parents withdrew their daughters after hearing about Maureen's near-fatal ice-skating mishap. Not one person is ever withdrawn from the Chalet School for similar reasons. Maybe letters home were censored :wink: .

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 Post subject: Re: Margot Venables Prize.
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One of the reasons given for St Scholastika's closing down is that so many worried parents withdrew their daughters after hearing about Maureen's near-fatal ice-skating mishap. Not one person is ever withdrawn from the Chalet School for similar reasons. Maybe letters home were censored :wink: .


Or their parents/guardian were hoping for a fatality :shock: (I'm thinking of Grizel here)


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I think Grizel's stepmother would have loved to hear of Grizel's death, but would have made a terrible fuss about how devastated she was, Whilst secretly planning the lavish lifestyle she intended to live once she'd got her hands on her husband's money.

I'd have loved this if Grizel's father had used the money to found several scholarships for poor but deserving girls to go to the CS.

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My high school explained prizes during the ceremony -- "The John R. Jones Award for scholarship is given by his parents in memory of their son who was killed by a drunk driver in 1999," that sort of thing. I'm sure the people who endowed prizes appreciated acknowledgement of the reasons behind them, and we were old enough by high school to respect prizes with sombre roots. Joey could easily have asked the school to include a brief explanation of who Margot was rather than gone along with a renaming.

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