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Following on from what Jennifer said about the CS not being the right school for Yseult, I think there are several girls about whom the same could be said. The obvious one is Naomi. Why send someone who is agnostic and has limited mobility to a school which puts so much emphasis on religion and physical exercise? Another one is Evelyn Ross: it was difficult for her because her mum was at the San and wanted her nearby, but she'd turned 16, wasn't academic, and said herself that she'd have been better at a secretarial college. Who else might have been better off elsewhere?

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How about Nina Rutherford, perhaps with her musical genius she would have been better off at a more specalised school.


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I disagree about Nina. I think the CS was the best place for her and did let her specialise but with enough "foundations" for her career i.e hobbies, friendships and not working her like a demon so she ends up resenting her talent.

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I disagree about Nina. I think the CS was the best place for her and did let her specialise but with enough "foundations" for her career i.e hobbies, friendships and not working her like a demon so she ends up resenting her talent.


Hmm, perhaps so, it saved her just focusing on the one thing and helped her appreciate the world around her.


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Felicity Maynard if she really was intending to follow a career in ballet?


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Possibly Rosamund Lilley and Joan Baker. Both would probably have been better attending local schools - Rosamund, the same high school as Charmain and Joan similarly in whatever area to which her parents had removed.

Like Evelyn and Yseult, Joan clearly chafed against the regimentation, the school doesn't cater for her interests at all and, as a result, she remains an outsider. She'd have been better-off getting her education of a higher standard from a day school where she could have outside friends who did share her interests in popular dance, for instance.
Rosamund's not as clear-cut. She copes better with the CS than Joan but it's hard to see what she got that could not have been delivered more easily by her attending the same high school as Charmain. It's unlikely that the CS delivered a better educational standard and the advantages of being trilingual are dubious if you are never going use the languages after leaving school. There's no tradition among her family or friends of going away to school so she's in danger of becoming distanced from her associates - her parents are never going to be able to travel out to attend school functions. (It also seems a strange thing for the gays to do. It would have much cheaper to send Rosamund to the English branch if they felt there were advantages to a boarding school education)


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The thing about Joan is though,had she remained at a local school the chances are she may well have just messed about and wasted that education.At the CS she is away from that and although she never really fits in she does get a good education plus the bonus of languages.


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I agree about Naomi. She didn't need to be at school at all; it's not as if she was going to take exams. She only needed somewhere to live with a certain amount of adult supervision.

When St Mildred's started, most of the girls were seventeen. She could have gone there. But by the time she starts at the school, St Mildred's seems to be mostly 18-19 yr olds, so Naomi wouldn't have quite fitted in there either.

In the past there'd have been poor but genteel widows who'd take girls like Naomi as paying guests and chaperone them around, but not by the 1950s.

Odette Wotsit clearly wasn't suited to boarding school, but given her mother's health issues and lack of other relatives, there doesn't seem to have been any other option.

And I'd suggest the school was wrong for Eustacia, too. Or at least, the school as it was at that point in its history. If they could have shown her just a little of the flexibility they were later willing to show Nina, things might have gone better.

I don't think the school was too bad a choice for Nina, given that the School by the River wasn't an option.

I wonder if part of the point of sending Joan to boarding school, from her grandfather's point of view, was to get her away from Vic Coles and the possibility of a teenage pregnancy.


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In many ways the school was a bad choice for Margot. The combination of starting out with a reputation as being smart but lazy, the unquestioned expectation that she should be performing several years above her age level, and an unhealthy leniency when it came to her misbehaviour was really not good for her. A standard school, where the headmistress wasn't an honorary aunt and one of her mother's best friends, she was given reasonable expectations and consistent discipline, and there was a bit more separation between home and school would have been much better for her.

In the Swiss days, I would say that the school was a poor chose for most girls joining the school as seniors, unless they happened to be reasonably fluent in all three languages. By fifth form, the girls are expected to follow the lessons and do their work in the language of the day without much help, and that's a lot for someone to manage when they're also worrying about doing well on standardized exams.

I think the school did pretty well by Nina. It may not have been the best choice for her musical education. She was so unbalanced in her social development, though, that she also needed to learn about things like interacting with a peer group, being part of a community, and needing to consider others, and slowing down the music to learn that would do more for her in the long run than going to a conservatory.

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I think all the Maynard and Russell girls might have been better off somewhere where they didn't have to live with being "Joey's daughter" or "Madge's daughter", but, as you say, it particularly seemed to affect Margot.

I'm trying to think how many of the other staff had relatives who were pupils. Doris Hill was Miss Leslie's niece, but didn't come to the school until years after Miss Leslie had left. Nell Randolph was Hilda's cousin, but only went to Welsen, where Hilda wasn't involved. Simone and Renee were Mlle's cousins, of course, but that was early on - and I can't remember any mention of them even going to her study for private Kaffee und Kuchen. And Peggy Burnett was Mary's sister and Rosalie's cousin, but that was barely even mentioned.

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I actually wonder if the school was the best choice for any of the triplets. Not so much due to being Joey's daughters, but also because they were pushed so far ahead of their years and didn't get to be with their own age group, which would have been extremely important for their social development. Len was too old for her age and Margot was expected to be older for hers.

I wonder if the Chalet School was the best place for people who are so academically behind, despite having spent years at the school. If I were the Dawbarns' parents or the Ozanne parents, I would not have continued to send my daughters to the school as they were so backward academically and the school didn't or couldn't push them to achieve more than girls three years younger than themselves. And they were repeating years of school, they did poorly. Prudence Dawbarn was in Upper V in Redheads, which meant Miss Annersley must have made good her threat to hold anyone back for an entire year, if they didn't do better.

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Very good point. Emerence leaves school at 17, when she's only in the Vth form, and there's apparently very little chance of her ever being able to make it to the VIth form. Why not? What have the Hopes been paying huge fees for all those years? OK, some people are just not academic, but the school seems to make very little effort with them. People like Joan and Maeve accept that they are not academic but focus on the things that will give them the best chance of getting a good job, but others just doss around and get away with it. It's interesting how a school which is so keen on so many Victorian values doesn't seem at all keen on the idea of hard work! I appreciate that some of these girls were from very wealthy families and didn't have to earn their own livings, but surely any school should not just let people get away with doing no work.

I have a lot of sympathy for Miss Bubb :wink: .

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The problem with Joan Baker was that no matter how well Joan did academically, how brave she was in difficult circumstances, EBD could never let her live down her past.

For an author who preached so earnestly about redeeming oneself, EBD would never let allow Joan to receive the praise and thanks that she deserved. She still trotted out the old things such as 'cheap prettiness', even though Joan put her own life at risk when helping others across and through the flood waters. Now, if Len had done that............!

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