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PostPosted: 29 Mar 2018, 20:05 
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For Bette, I would have two syllables, but with the 2nd "e" much shorter than the "y" of Betty. I can't quite explain the sound of that "e", but pretty close to the German pronunciation example at https://forvo.com/word/bette/ .

I'm also a You-STAY-shuh, Eh-VAD-knee speaker. I've never met an Evadne in real life, though, and it struck me as odd that EBD pounced on her name for a token American, whereas occasionally Stacy/Stacie/Stacey does crop up as short for Eustacia rather than Anastasia.

I did wonder whether C.S. Lewis based Eustace Scrubb's character (complete with idiosyncratic parents and change in character following adversity) on EBD's Eustacia.

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Thanks for the pronunciation tips, especially Eilunedd!

Surprised rather than confused: I saw La Boheme this weekend, and was once more amazed that Madge took Joey & Grizel to see it! Was anyone else surprised by EBD's choice of opera? It seems rather, well, bohemian, for the conservative CS!

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Maybe it was the only thing available that was remotely suitable?

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mrs helston wrote:
Thanks for the pronunciation tips, especially Eilunedd!

Surprised rather than confused: I saw La Boheme this weekend, and was once more amazed that Madge took Joey & Grizel to see it! Was anyone else surprised by EBD's choice of opera? It seems rather, well, bohemian, for the conservative CS!

My parents took me to see it. I thought it was just a tragic love story. Ditto Madame Butterfly. No doubt EBD loved the dramatic music. Only as an adult did I begin to understand the background to both operas.


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JayB wrote:
Before I read the CS, I was familiar with the tv show William Tell, which was the same vintage as, and similar to, Robin Hood starring Richard Greene. In William Tell, the Austrians were the baddies. I had to get used to the idea that in the CS, the Austrians were the good guys.


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The School in the Chalet when the girls are caught overnight in the remote hut. They are settled down for the night and then Joey sits up and says "what about the others? what if they come here and find us?" What others??!! That drove me crazy for years until I decided to let it go :D

And yes, the called to higher service thing drove me nuts for years. I thought she meant girls who had become nuns and therefore the 'higher service' was serving God.

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The School in the Chalet when the girls are caught overnight in the remote hut. They are settled down for the night and then Joey sits up and says "what about the others? what if they come here and find us?" What others??!! That drove me crazy for years until I decided to let it go :D


I think she's referring to the other shepherds, rather than anyone from the school.

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PostPosted: 05 Apr 2018, 22:47 
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The Audrey thing in Bride.

By which I mean, the following happens:
- Diana Skelton takes ages to eat her cake.
- Bride or someone tells her to get a move on, and Primrose makes a snarky comment about Diana eating too slowly. Note: Audrey is not present in this scene, or certainly doesn't interact with Diana anyway.
- Diana throws a hissy fit and stomps on her cake, Bride makes her clean it up, and so on.
- Diana refuses to apologise and Bride and co start to get worried about what to do. At some point, they talk about Diana apologising to Primrose...and Audrey.

And then Diana has to apologise to Primrose AND Audrey. Now, Primrose I can understand because Diana was rude to her, but where does Audrey come into it? Is it something happened offscreen? I know she and Emerence get into an argument, Emerence is rude and Audrey calls her out, but I kept re-reading that part of the book and there was nothing about Diana being rude to Audrey.


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I think EBD forgets that she actually had Emerence being rude to Audrey, not Diana.

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In Bride's letter to Jo, she wrote that Diana had been rude to Madge (Dawson?), another prefect. Mary-Lou gave Diana a message that the prefects wanted to see her in the prefects' room, and she had refused to come. Then Madge went to tell Diana, who replied: 'You can tell Bride What's-her-name that if she wants to speak to me, she can come and find me and perhaps I'll speak to her then.' (GGBP, p. 161.)

This exchange was in front of Junior Middles (don't ask me why a prefect and a fifth-former were talking next to Junior Middles!).

I think that EBD got confused between Madge and Audrey.


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bythebrook wrote:
I think that EBD got confused between Madge and Audrey.


And no subsequent editor picked up on it and corrected it. But then, we would not have the fun of discussing it :-)

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I think she's referring to the other shepherds, rather than anyone from the school.


Yeah, I think it is the other herdsman Joey's referring to. But for years I thought she was referring to the other students who had been left behind at the school.

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Going back to pronunciations, would people pronounce Mary/Kitty/Peggy Burnett's surname as BURN-it or Bur-NET?

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It never occurred to me to say anything other than the latter, but I could well be wrong!

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My gran lived next door to a woman with the surname Burnett and she pronounced it BURN-it, so that's how I've always said it in my head. Bur-NET sounds more American to me, e.g. Carol Burnett. So I guess it just depends.

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I'd mildly stress the second syllable, but probably both pronunciations are in use, even in the UK. I suppose I feel that having the double t at the end makes it an emphatic sound, whereas Burnet would incline me to slightly stress the first half.


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Can't remember which book it is, but they talk of a painting/picture 'June in the Tyrol', for a long time I wondered who June was and why they wanted her picture :?


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Merlot wrote:

Can't remember which book it is, but they talk of a painting/picture 'June in the Tyrol', for a long time I wondered who June was and why they wanted her picture :?
:lol: Cue CS pin-up calendar?


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Merlot wrote:

Can't remember which book it is, but they talk of a painting/picture 'June in the Tyrol', for a long time I wondered who June was and why they wanted her picture :?
:lol: Cue CS pin-up calendar?


Calendar Girls crossover with the mistresses and doctors' wives stripping off to raise money for the San? :lol:

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Noreen wrote:
Merlot wrote:

Can't remember which book it is, but they talk of a painting/picture 'June in the Tyrol', for a long time I wondered who June was and why they wanted her picture :?
:lol: Cue CS pin-up calendar?


Calendar Girls crossover with the mistresses and doctors' wives stripping off to raise money for the San? :lol:


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