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PostPosted: 03 Dec 2018, 10:47 
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I was a bit bemused yesterday, when the local train I was on (in Munich) divided. I could see that there were two branches, but, because the carriage I was in said "Flughafen" on the information board, I innocently thought it was like the London Underground and anyone wanting the other branch would have to change. They said that the back was going to the airport and the front was going somewhere else, and, seeing as I was in the middle, I was very confused and had to ask someone in my bad German if I was in the right place or not ... although the fact that the board said "Flughafen" and that all the other people with suitcases were staying put was probably a clue! I remember someone - Cestina, could it have been you? - once posting on here that they'd ended up going one way whilst their luggage went another, because they hadn't been familiar with the idea of trains dividing either!

Does anyone know if this was common on Austrian or Swiss trains in CS times? CS journeys are generally trouble free, except when Peggy gets on the wrong train (or Joey is involved in a crash), but ending up on the wrong bit of train sounds like such a GO adventure thing to happen.

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Yes you are right Alison it was me and it certainly seems to have been common back in the 1950s and 60s so presumably the same further back in time...

It was the main boat train from Hook of Holland heading into Germany and one stop after the border crossing (where the customs officers had got on the train) the front part, where I happened to be with my trunk and the customs men, headed for Hamburg, my destination.

When I left them to head back to my compartment, where I had left my bag complete with passport, money, food and reading matter for the long journey, that end of the train had vanished.

I was 17, with very little German, and panicked. It turned out that end of the train was going to Berlin. Fortunately it followed the first part for a couple of stations and the people in my compartment realised what had happened and were ready to hand my belongings out of the window to the station officials and in due course everything arrived safely in Hamburg....


Presumably there must have been something at Hook to indicate that this would happen but I was too inexperienced a solo traveller to notice..

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This one did actually wait for a while at the station where it was divided, and it was announced that anyone in the wrong bit of the train should get off and get back in the right bit, so I assume that they must have had a lot of similar problems over the years :lol: . It was very confusing.

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The train I travelled on last weekend on Southern did this - it divided at Redhill with the front half going to Horsham and the back half to Gatwick Airport. And I've certainly travelled on other trains where this has happened, both here and overseas. One of the places it regularly happens is at Zweilutschinen, where half the train goes up to Lauterbrunnen and the other half to Grindelwald. I think there is a reference in Reunion to someone having carefully checked they have got in the right half, because the party didn't want to end up in Grindelwald by mistake.

Re Peggy's adventure, wasn't it something slightly similar, in that both trains were waiting in the platform, and she got into the front one while the one she wanted was waiting behind in the same platform? I know Bristol TM is a large station, but it sounds a bit improbable that two full length expresses could be stationed in one platform, but I'm sure that's what it says.


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SLOC and I recently spent a very uncomfortable night on the night train from Lisbon to San Sebastien. Somewhere along the route, it divides and the back half goes to Madrid.


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It was something like that, with Peggy. And a porter helped Maeve into the wrong train, thinking that that was the one they wanted. It can be very confusing, especially at stations where they don't announce which platform each train'll be on until the last second - although I don't think two would be at one platform at the same time :roll: .

It's a wonder more people didn't get lost, especially given how many times some of them had to change to get to Armiford, and trains being delayed or diverted during the war years. I think Shona and Flora and Fiona missed their connection, but no-one else seemed to have any problems.

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What's also alarming, if it's an unfamiliar stop, is when you know you're on the right train (and even the right bit) and it starts off on its way again in the opposite direction to the one it came in...


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If I have to go down to London on the train, I often end up getting the Holyhead Boat Train back to Chester and there are always clear announcements as we are approaching Chester that one half of the train will terminate at Chester whilst the other half goes on to Holyhead and therefore anyone in the wrong half needs to change ends pdq at or before Chester.


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Going to Lewes bfrom Reading (where they hold good book fairs!) we change at Gatwick, and that train always divides and there are clear announcements, it's usually a 12-coach train and 4 coaches get removed, with 8 going on to Lewes. Coming back is OK because you are already on right train and the extra bit gets added. It was disconcerting the firat couple of imes, but since I now do the journey at least once a year I've got used to it!


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Most overnight trains in western Europe do it. One train will have 3 portions for different places - and when you arrive in the morning you find yourself part of a completely different train with portions from other places.


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The train I catch when going to my parents in Sussex from London has always split - at least for the past 40 years. The destination of each half and the station where it has split has varied over the years, but these days they seem to have settled on one half going to Southampton or Littlehampton and the other half going to Hastings or Ore, with the split taking place at Haywards Heath. So for me, trains splitting is perfectly normal!


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Mrs Redboots wrote:
The train I catch when going to my parents in Sussex from London has always split - at least for the past 40 years. The destination of each half and the station where it has split has varied over the years, but these days they seem to have settled on one half going to Southampton or Littlehampton and the other half going to Hastings or Ore, with the split taking place at Haywards Heath. So for me, trains splitting is perfectly normal!

That's the train I normally get on to go home if I go to London on the Victoria line.
Also the train we used to get from Birmingham to Dundee to visit Granny when we were children split at Carstairs. One half went to Glasgow, the other to Edinburgh. The Glasgow portion always ended up with the buffet car.

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Part of the Aberdeen train I used to get to come home split. I always tried to get on the right part but it was always mobbed.

I never know what is the front or back of a train - the part nearest or furthest away from the ticket barrier.


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Part of the Aberdeen train I used to get to come home split. I always tried to get on the right part but it was always mobbed.

I never know what is the front or back of a train - the part nearest or furthest away from the ticket barrier.

I always get confused about that as well, especially on trains going via Eastbourne. The trains go into the station then back out again so you're at the front from Hastings, then suddenly at the back once you're out of Eastbourne.

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When I visit my parents I get the cross-country train from Manchester to Norwich, and it divides at Nottingham. Not sure why though.


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Audrey25 wrote:
Part of the Aberdeen train I used to get to come home split. I always tried to get on the right part but it was always mobbed.

I never know what is the front or back of a train - the part nearest or furthest away from the ticket barrier.


I think the the sleeper train still does this - it splits in Edinburgh for Aberdeen, Glasgow/Fort William and Inverness.

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I have been confused by trains joining each other! The first time I went to Paris from Tours, two trains with different start points and different numbers were due to arrive at the same platform at the same time both with final destination Paris. They duly arrived within seconds of one another and were linked up. Phew!


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Last night on Extreme Railways with Chris Tarrent, he travels from Vienna to the Jungfrau by rail. He visits the engine sheds at Jenbach but it is winter so the railway is not running and the locomotives are being overhauled.


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We need Michael Portillo to do Great Chalet School Railway Journeys :lol: . There's plenty of material for him to go at!

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Alison H wrote:
We need Michael Portillo to do Great Chalet School Railway Journeys :lol: . There's plenty of material for him to go at!


I like that idea. He could be accompanied by a crowd of Chalet Girls in appropriate uniform for each journey. I'm not sure what it would do for his reputation , however.


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