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 Post subject: Choosing baby names in CS-land
PostPosted: 10 May 2019, 16:02 
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I'm not sure what the CS crowd would have made of "Archie Harrison", but nor am I sure how people would have reacted if Prince William and Kate had named one of their children after William's best mate from school and another after his old head teacher, as Elisaveta did with Jose and Guita :lol:.

Most of the CS baby names are after family members, but quite a few people name babies after friends, which I wouldn't have thought was that common. Joey has so many babies named after her that she very rudely tells Frieda to think of a different name for her second daughter, who ends up being Carlotta Josephine. Names are often doubled up within families - Peggy and Margot, Beth and Betsy, and Gisela, her mum and her second daughter all share a name (Gisel/Gisela).

Sybil gets Madge's favourite name and Ailie gets Jem's favourite name, which is quite sweet. Mary-Lou is tactfully named after both her grandmas! And we're told that John Bettany's name was chosen by his godparents, which also comes up with Honey Raphael in the La Rochelle books. Biddy and Eugen give one of their twins an Irish name and one of them a Swiss-French name, whereas Joey and Jack give their first twins matching names!

It mainly seems to be family names, though. Is anyone here named after a parent's friend, or is that more common in books?

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PostPosted: 10 May 2019, 21:15 
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Yes, Miss, me. I'm named after a friend of my mother's when she was in the WRNS - because being dark, I reminded my mother of her. But it's a bit of a cheat because my mother's name was Nora Eileen, and people tend to assume that my name is a conflation of both of hers, apart from the fact that Noreen is the diminutive of Nora anyway.

Incidentally, remember Sybil's naming party, when Rix (I think) suggests naming her after Rufus? I know three children named after animals: Becky, who was named after the family dog; Celia (elder sister "I'm named after Mummy's mother, but you're named after the cat!"); and Sarah, whose elder sister was allowed to choose it (and named her after the horse who lived over the road) ...


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I’m named after my great grandmother (luckily, the Caroline and not the Ida) with (The Grand) Sophy for my middle name...

Lots of family names in my family tree, plus some random famous people names (two distant relatives with William Gladstone as middle names...).

My younger sister got more freestyle names - mum and dad obviously felt they had ticked the family name box. I’m still disappointed that neither of us was named after great great grandmother Rosetta :D


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Caroline wrote:
I’m named after my great grandmother (luckily, the Caroline and not the Ida) with (The Grand) Sophy for my middle name...


My mother's name was Ida- she hated her name and would never have given it to me - however when her mother-in-law said she didn't like Ida and decided to use her second name, Margaret, mother was a bit miffed.


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I'm named after a great-aunt called Esther, but the name was considered really old-fashioned in the '70s, so Mum and Dad made it Alison and said that it sounded like Esther. No, me neither ... :lol: . I was supposed to be Alison Sarah, to tick another family name box, but that would have made my initials ASH. My sister got Sarah as a middle name instead!

I think it was David who wanted to name Sybil after Rufus. Rix wanted to name her Tibby, presumably after the cat! And I always wonder how Frieda felt about her husband's name being given to Joey and Jack's dog :roll: .

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I am Mary Ann after both Grannies Pity that my last name was Dawson
initials MAD My first married name was Dymond so it stayed the same
The comments could be quite interesting My second marriage changed the letter of my sirname
I was only ever called Ann that caused some explaining in later life
For some reason my Mother called all four of us by our second names


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I am Jenefer Isabel after great grandmother and grandmother. Granny was Isabella after an aunt and great grandmother. Younger daughter's second name is Jenefer, her first is after SLOC's great aunt but she uses a short form. Dad was named for his paternal grandfather and mother's maiden name.


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I'm Amanda Louise, apparently my parents were obsessed with Prisoner: Cell Block H when my mum was pregnant with me, and got the name Amanda from one of the actresses in it, Amanda Muggleton. :? Louise is for my dad's aunt, who was also his godmother. In my family in general it tends to be middle names that are 'family' names, first names are just whatever the parents happen to like best.

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My father's name was given to him in an unusual way. He was born two months premature a few years before WWII. The nurses at the hospital where the ambulance took him didn't think he would survive, so baptised him and named him after the hospital's saint (fortunately a male). My grandmother had chosen a different name, but she didn't change it afterwards. He did get a 'family' name as his middle name, but his elder brother had three given names and Dad only had two, so there was scope for another name if his parents had wanted it.


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The number of names people get and why is interesting. My husband has two, but his younger brother only has one, the extra name is their father’s name. But really, why not given both two?

In my family history research there are dozens of examples where (for example) there are 10 children, eight of whom have two names, one only has one name and one suddenly has three. I like order and neat patterns so this perplexes me every time :D Did they run out? What was it about that child that they are “the one” who is different? So many times there are family names and family surnames involved, which can play a part, also - paternal grandparent’s full name ahead of surname, for instance (think Josephine Mary Maynard Entwistle :D ).

In Chalet land, amongst the MBRs anyway, I think the children all neatly have two names... But I don’t think we know middle names for Jack and Jem - or do we, from Jem and Madge’s wedding?

Names - Endlessly fascinating....


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I agree that names are endlessly fascinating, and we're not alone - I have a friend who's a professional genealogist and just loves looking at lists of names and pondering on them (even better if they come within a family tree structure. of course).

I have a note that Jem is James Gilbert Russell (and that's from a letter within text) but also that at some point his middle name is said to be William; but then Madge is said in the first book to have a middle initial of H, despite being Margaret Daphne the rest of the time! I've no idea of any other name for Jack - he and Mollie are the youngest, aren't they? So any male family names might well have been used up on Bob, Steve (also their father's name) and Charlie.

Two fore-names was pretty normal for the period in which the books were written, weren't they? And EMBD seems to feel fairly against length, whether in multiples of names or very long names unless they can be drastically shortened. She had three names herself, of course, but I suspect that she never identified as Gladys at all, since she seems to have been known as May when young and obviously chose to be Elinor (less frequently found than Eleanor, probably) later.


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 Post subject: Re: Choosing baby names in CS-land
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I think all the MBR children have two names - the Maynard and Russell children certainly do, and the 4 eldest Bettanys do (I don't think we're told about the 3 youngest, but I assume they did too). Jem's middle name keeps changing, as Noreen said! He signs himself "James Gilbert Russell" in one book, jokes that his middle name's William but newborn Sybil's not being called Wilhelmina in another, and I he's James Francis Russell somewhere else!

The Encyclopaedia says that Jack's middle name is Charles, although it doesn't say where that's mentioned.

I'm not sure where Jo got the idea of giving each of the triplets Mary as a first name but then calling them by their middle name. Yes, in Spain and to a lesser extent France and Italy it's very common for girls to have Marie/Marie as a first name and then another name, but they're usually then known as Maria Jose or Maria Isabel or Marie-Cecile etc. Maria Theresa had umpteen daughters who all had Maria as a first name, but they were all known as Maria Antonia/Maria Antoinette, Maria Carolina, and so on. It must have got quite confusing when the triplets were all down on official paperwork as Mary Maynard, same date of birth.

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I have a French friend named Anne-Marie. Her two sisters are Marie-Anne and Marianne. I don’t think her parents had much imagination!

Another friend is called Una. Apparently her parents never envisaged having a daughter and therefore had no female names in mind. Her father was in the navy, stationed at Portsmouth at the time, and he went through the navy lists of ships in port and there was an HMS Una and that’s how she got her name.

As said above, names, endlessly fascinating.


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Alison H wrote:
I think all the MBR children have two names - the Maynard and Russell children certainly do, and the 4 eldest Bettanys do (I don't think we're told about the 3 youngest, but I assume they did too).

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Not sure about Maurice and Maeve, but youngest is Theresa Daphne, though gets called Daphne


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I don't think we ever get a middle names for Maeve, Maurice, Michael and Geoff, but the rest all have them given. Of the older generation, Joey, Madge and Jem have middle names given, but I don't think any of the others do.

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I shall never understand why it's ok for all these variants of Margaret and Josephine to pop up all over the CS world and for almost all the Maynard girls to have Mary as a first name but then Madge requests that no one use Christopher for their next boy as she's just had Kester!
Even if Kester is an old form of Christopher they're different enough names, surely?
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jennifer wrote:
I don't think we ever get a middle names for Maeve, Maurice, Michael and Geoff, but the rest all have them given. Of the older generation, Joey, Madge and Jem have middle names given, but I don't think any of the others do.
Helen McC;elland, in Elinor M Brent-Dyer's Chalet School has Geoffrey Martin and Philippa Anne for the two youngest Maynards, which I suspect is from a Newsletter.


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Simone is Simone Marie Anne. And Wanda has "every one of her baptismal names", which sounds like she's got a lot of them, after a rich old auntie - who fell for the flattery and left Wanda all her money :lol: .

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Yes, why not tell us Wanda's names? We know EMBD was interested in the subject, after all, and we get them for quite a few other characters - Cornelia Naida Anastasia Flower, Hildegard Mariana Sophonisba Heriot, George Theophilus Archibald Rayner Richardson...


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Alison H wrote:
Is anyone here named after a parent's friend, or is that more common in books?

I was sort of named after an aunt, who in turn was named after her aunt - my grandfather had a baby sister named Joan, who died when she was about 16 months old, and this apparently made an impression on him, as about 10 years later he named his own firstborn Joan. She was my dad's oldest sister and wasn't able to have children - when she finally fell pregnant for the first time, she was already over 40 and sadly miscarried the baby. My mother was pregnant with me at the same time, and had originally planned a different name entirely, but called me Joanna instead after my Auntie Joan, who always saw me as her own special baby. So technically, I suppose, that makes me Joan III...

My great-grandmother was Edith Marion and named her second daughter Marion Edith, same name but in reverse. And we've got a whole string of Henrys along one branch of the family tree, none of whom actually went by the name Henry but instead used their middle names (Clement, Arthur etc).

Another branch of the family tree had a whole cluster of William Henrys, including my great-grandather, who was named after an uncle, who in turn named his own son after himself. Family legends has it that the three William Henrys all went out mushrooming together one day and were picked up by a local bobby for trespassing. He might have let them all off with a warning if, when asked to identify themselves, they hadn't all given the same name - he arrested the lot of them and hauled them off to the police station until someone could come in and verify that yes, they really did all have the same name!

Alison H wrote:
I think it was David who wanted to name Sybil after Rufus. Rix wanted to name her Tibby, presumably after the cat! And I always wonder how Frieda felt about her husband's name being given to Joey and Jack's dog :roll: .

I had a friend in school who lived on a farm, and was quite happy to tell anyone who would listen that she had been named Lucy after one of the cows!

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