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 Post subject: Victorian Puzzle Poem
PostPosted: 17 Feb 2017, 18:03 
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Back in the days when my website's Message Board was busy, I used to post the puzzle pictures from copies of "The Girl's Own Annual" that I collect and we'd all enjoy having a go at deciphering them, although we never managed to crack one completely. I wondered if there were folk here who'd enjoy them? (I've got the solution here if all else fails.)

Click here to see the picture puzzle

Edited to add:

Without looking at the solution, here's a start.

My Garden in May

For .....................waiting for May all ........................ earth
And.......................................................... country
...................... the bulbs have sprung forth

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 Post subject: Re: Victorian Puzzle Poem
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Thanks Annied - these are always tougher than they look, ISTM. I think the 10th line might be
And capitalise on our heart and memory


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 Post subject: Re: Victorian Puzzle Poem
PostPosted: 20 Feb 2017, 23:26 
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I think line 6 is "My loving heart just laughs aloud".

But I can only get bits of some of the others.

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 Post subject: Re: Victorian Puzzle Poem
PostPosted: 20 Feb 2017, 23:52 
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OK, so so far we have

My Garden in May

For .....................waiting for May all ........................ earth
And.......................................................... country
...................... the bulbs have sprung forth
...........................................
...........................................
My loving heart just laughs aloud
...........................................
...........................................
............................................
And capitalise on our heart and memory

Yes, 120 years on, they're real stinkers, although in fairness, at least some of the clues would have been easier for the Victorian "girl" to solve as the items pictured were in everyday use then, whereas now they've been obsolete for decades. Even identifying what they are can sometimes be a challenge today.


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 Post subject: Re: Victorian Puzzle Poem
PostPosted: 21 Feb 2017, 17:56 
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I think "and I daily view" might be what follows the bulbs which have sprung forth.

Is the second picture in line 4 a distaff? In which case, the end of the line could be "distance the deep blue sea".

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 Post subject: Re: Victorian Puzzle Poem
PostPosted: 21 Feb 2017, 22:55 
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Wow, you're good Lottie! I thought it was some kind of a bird, but you're right, it's a distaff minus the "f".

I've also just realised the 4 at the start of the first line in Roman numerals is IV, so it starts I've and I now think the "rough h" at the end of the line means it finishes through, so it rhymes with view. I feel the missing word is winter, but I can't work out what a man chopping a tree trunk has to do with winter. If he's hewing, then taking away the g and adding ter still leaves a spare he.

My Garden in May

I've been waiting for May all ............. through.
And.......................................................... country
...................... the bulbs have sprung forth and I daily view
.........................distance the deep blue sea
...........................................
My loving heart just laughs aloud
...........................................
...........................................
............................................
And capitalise on our heart and memory


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 Post subject: Re: Victorian Puzzle Poem
PostPosted: 21 Feb 2017, 23:19 
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Annied wrote:
I feel the missing word is winter, but I can't work out what a man chopping a tree trunk has to do with winter. If he's hewing, then taking away the g and adding ter still leaves a spare he.

I hadn't thought of 'hewing' - I was trying to do something with 'chopping' and getting nowhere. However, there's a "T" on him, so perhaps it's "the winter through".

I think the end of the last line could be "days have footsteps", but I haven't a clue about the two people pictured at the beginning of the line.

The line above has a snowflake in the middle of it.

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 Post subject: Re: Victorian Puzzle Poem
PostPosted: 21 Feb 2017, 23:29 
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You beat me to it with "the winter through", Lottie. I think the two people at the beginning of the last line are Spring and Time, so "For Springtime days have footsteps .... (fleet?)"

Part of the second line looks as if it's "And ........... is the North country" - inspiration of what word could be represented by felling a tree has not yet struck...and he's got a T as well.

ETA: Don't tell me, that's Thewin(g) as well!


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 Post subject: Re: Victorian Puzzle Poem
PostPosted: 22 Feb 2017, 00:38 
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Noreen wrote:
I think the two people at the beginning of the last line are Spring and Time, so "For Springtime days have footsteps .... (fleet?)"

The "S" to pluralise step is being carried by someone running, so maybe it's "fled".

I was stuck on the tree-felling, too.

I've just enlisted the help of my husband, so now we have line 5 being "O crown imperial, o ??? proud", and I'm not sure whether the question marks are just "tulip" or "flower", or something more obscure.

Line 7 could have "I long that it ??? forgets" at the end. The question marks here are even more problematical. They represent the outsize "e" followed by "d".

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 Post subject: Re: Victorian Puzzle Poem
PostPosted: 22 Feb 2017, 01:25 
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Apologies if I've missed anything. I think this is what we've got so far. (Feel free to copy and paste the whole thing with additions/amendments included.)

My Garden in May

I've been waiting for May all the winter through.
And the winter is long in the North country
...................... the bulbs have sprung forth and I daily view
.........................distance the deep blue sea
O crown imperial, o.......................proud
My loving heart just laughs aloud
..................................when I long that it................forgets
...........................................
............................................
And capitalise on our heart and memory
......................................
For Springtime days have footsteps fleet


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 Post subject: Re: Victorian Puzzle Poem
PostPosted: 22 Feb 2017, 09:58 
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I've just looked at the rhymes. Lines 1 & 3 rhyme, also lines 2 & 4, and lines 5 & 6; then it repeats that pattern, so the last two lines need to rhyme with each other.

ETA I think lines 8 and 9 are probably read more or less just as they're written.

ETA 2 The picture near the beginning of the fourth line - is it light giving "lighted", or rays which might lead to "raised"?

ETA 3 I've just had another look at the start of line 10. "Capitalise T" - "e" leads to "capital is t", so I think it reads " capital is to our...".

ETA 4 Line 8 - there should be "short" after "summer is".

ETA 5 Line 11 the last word is "s - wee- t".


My Garden in May

I've been waiting for May all the winter through.
And the winter is long in the North country
...................... the bulbs have sprung forth and I daily view
In the ................distance the deep blue sea
O crown imperial, o.......................proud
My loving heart just laughs aloud
It is ..................................when I long that it................forgets
But the summer is short in the North country
We must hastily take drear old winter's debts
And capital is to our heart and memory
The .......... snowflake ......................... sweet
For Springtime days have footsteps fleet

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 Post subject: Re: Victorian Puzzle Poem
PostPosted: 22 Feb 2017, 13:11 
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I'm not sure about capital. I think the "T" might be a word ending in te. Remove the e and the t is the start of the next word "to" I want to put something like "take" in there, but it doesn't fit the picture and it doesn't scan either.

I've just googled "Crown Imperial" because I couldn't work out what it had to do with a tulip. Apparently it's a kind of lily. (You learn something new every day!)

Could the flowers at the end of line 11 be violets?

My Garden in May.

I've been waiting for May all the winter through.
And the winter is long in the North country
...................... the bulbs have sprung forth and I daily view
In the ................distance the deep blue sea
O crown imperial, o tulip proud
My loving heart just laughs aloud
It is ..................................when I long that it................forgets
But the summer is short in the North country
We must hastily take drear old winter's debts
And capital is to our heart and memory
The .......... snowflake and violets sweet
For Springtime days have footsteps fleet.

(If you use ctrl and + on the picture, it'll enlarge quite a bit without losing clarity.)


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 Post subject: Re: Victorian Puzzle Poem
PostPosted: 22 Feb 2017, 13:24 
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Annied wrote:
Could the flowers at the end of line 11 be violets?

That would make sense - violets are frequently described as sweet-smelling.

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 Post subject: Re: Victorian Puzzle Poem
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And as I'd suspected, the snowflake in line 11 is a plant, leucojum vernum (which confusingly means 'spring white violet' and looks like a snowdrop at a distance)...the flowers just in front of 'snowflake' look like irises to me.


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 Post subject: Re: Victorian Puzzle Poem
PostPosted: 22 Feb 2017, 14:11 
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You beat me to it Noreen. The ones at the beginning of the line look like irises to me too, but I didn't know about snowflake being a flower and I couldn't work iris into anything. If we've got the last line right, then I think the word preceding snowflake would have 2 syllables, so iris would fit.


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 Post subject: Re: Victorian Puzzle Poem
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Lottie wrote:
Annied wrote:
Could the flowers at the end of line 11 be violets?

That would make sense - violets are frequently described as sweet-smelling.

Not only that but there is a well-known Victorian song (of a dubious moral tone) called Sweet Violets...

Though the picture looks more like a carnation to me!

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 Post subject: Re: Victorian Puzzle Poem
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Annied wrote:
I'm not sure about capital. I think the "T" might be a word ending in te. Remove the e and the t is the start of the next word "to" I want to put something like "take" in there, but it doesn't fit the picture and it doesn't scan either.
Good point - could be a set-square or T-square or straight-edge, but I can't make any of them work either!


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 Post subject: Re: Victorian Puzzle Poem
PostPosted: 23 Feb 2017, 01:30 
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A friend was here this evening and she looked at it, but was a stumped as the rest of us about the "T".

Do you think the 4th line is something like sunsoaked? I don't like it, as I don't think the trees are clear enough to be identifiable as oaks, but other than sundrenched, I can't think of any other words that fit sun.....ed.


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 Post subject: Re: Victorian Puzzle Poem
PostPosted: 23 Feb 2017, 01:36 
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I wonder if the -1 above the sun applies to it, so we're left with just the 'S' plus the rays or whatever?


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 Post subject: Re: Victorian Puzzle Poem
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I thought the "-1", although I hadn't recognised it as a number, and assumed it was a letter, applied to the line above following on from the pigs.

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