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 Post subject: A Fifth Victorian Puzzle Poem
PostPosted: 17 Mar 2017, 15:01 
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This could be the last for a while as I'm gearing up for my spring trip to Oberaudorf. A lot of the puzzles were scanned into my computer several years ago, when I had one of the books in pieces. The solutions aren't, as I didn't want to look at them before I'd had a chance to solve them myself, so I won't be able to access them when I'm away.

Here it is (Ctrl+ to enlarge it.)

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PostPosted: 17 Mar 2017, 15:32 
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Thank you for that!

Contentment

1. ------------------- let me be content
My clothes, my food, are good enough for me.
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 Post subject: Re: A Fifth Victorian Puzzle Poem
PostPosted: 18 Mar 2017, 16:33 
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Here's a contribution for me.

Contentment

1. With what I have, O let me be content
2. My clothes, my food, are good enough for me.
3. My home is clean, I always pay my rent
4. With some ................... for mirth and jollity
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 Post subject: Re: A Fifth Victorian Puzzle Poem
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Contentment

1. With what I have, O let me be content
2. My clothes, my food, are good enough for me.
3. My home is clean, I always pay my rent
4. With some ................... for mirth and jollity
5. If all else easy seem ..............................
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10. Which blocks the way to many hearts' true core
11. Possessing a little is better than a throne
12. If we contented are no more to own

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 Post subject: Re: A Fifth Victorian Puzzle Poem
PostPosted: 22 Mar 2017, 01:12 
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I've added a bit more.

Contentment

1. With what I have, O let me be content
2. My clothes, my food, are good enough for me.
3. My home is clean, I always pay my rent
4. With some ................... for mirth and jollity
5. If all else easy seem ................from the hearth and hall,
6. I ........................... that beats them all.

7. I would no kinder(?) be than fits my lot,
8. And no one's lot will stand a .............. more.
9. Pretence and hauteur form a .................
10. Which blocks the way to many hearts' true core
11. Possessing a little is better than a throne
12. If we contented are no more to own


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 Post subject: Re: A Fifth Victorian Puzzle Poem
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Contentment

1. With what I have, O let me be content
2. My clothes, my food, are good enough for me.
3. My home is clean, I always pay my rent
4. With some ................... for mirth and jollity
5. If all else easy seem ................from the hearth and hall,
6. I ........................... that beats them all.

7. I would no kinder(?) be than fits my lot,
8. And no one's lot will stand a switch/crop/whip bit more.
9. Pretence and hauteur form a .................
10. Which blocks the way to many hearts' true core
11. Possessing little's better than a throne
12. If we contented are no more to own

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 Post subject: Re: A Fifth Victorian Puzzle Poem
PostPosted: 22 Mar 2017, 10:05 
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Contentment

1. With what I have, O let me be content
2. My clothes, my food, are good enough for me.
3. My home is clean, I always pay my rent
4. With some ................... for mirth and jollity
5. If all else easy seem ................from the hearth and hall,
6. I ........................... that beats them all.

7. I would no kinder(?) be than fits my lot,
8. And no one's lot will stand a switch/crop/whip bit more.
9. Pretence and hauteur form a tiresome clot
10. Which blocks the way to many a heart's true core
11. Possessing little's better than a throne
12. If we contented are no more to own


Line 4 feels as though it should have the sense of 'With something left for mirth and jollity' - but there's the matter of the letters (-B S?) on the (gladstone?) bag, which I guess is being sent; and to scan, it shouldn't be more than two syllables...


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 Post subject: Re: A Fifth Victorian Puzzle Poem
PostPosted: 22 Mar 2017, 12:46 
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Line 4 feels as though it should have the sense of 'With something left for mirth and jollity' - but there's the matter of the letters (-B S?) on the (gladstone?) bag, which I guess is being sent; and to scan, it shouldn't be more than two syllables...

I am hopeless at these but might Line 4 not be "With some left over...." (A man leaning over the counter of a left luggage office?)

I don't get why Line 5 is not "If all else seems easy" rather than "If all else easy seem"? Can someone explain please?

In Line 8 it could be a rod?

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 Post subject: Re: A Fifth Victorian Puzzle Poem
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Line 5 ... I missed the second f when I was working it out - maybe it's
If false seems easy from the house and hall ?

Line 6 is
I know a thing or two that beats them all.

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 Post subject: Re: A Fifth Victorian Puzzle Poem
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Contentment

1. With what I have, O let me be content;
2. My clothes, my food, are good enough for me.
3. My home is clean, I always pay my rent,
4. With something left for mirth and jollity
5. If all else easy seem ................from the hearth and hall,
6. I know a thing ot two that beats them all.

7. I would no kinder(?) be than fits my lot,
8. And no one's lot will stand a switch/crop/whip bit more.
9. Pretence and hauteur form a tiresome clot
10. Which blocks the way to many a heart's true core.
11. Possessing little's better than a throne,
12. If we contented are no more to own

Line 5 has me totally confused, not least because I'm not even sure what the writer is trying to say.
Line 7 looks as though it should be a word with a meaning like prouder rather than kinder. Could it be "I would not finer be than fits my lot"? But then where does the k fit in?
Line 8, could be a stick/switch/crop/whip/rod/cane/wand


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 Post subject: Re: A Fifth Victorian Puzzle Poem
PostPosted: 23 Mar 2017, 13:22 
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I'm now thinking it isn't a k but that the twiddly bit in the T has been put the wrong way round - which may or may not be relevant. So we could have

5. If false seem fancies from the home and hall,

I don't see a hearth there, but a yard with door, window, and water-butt

And then 7 could be

7. I would no fancier be than fits my lot,

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 Post subject: Re: A Fifth Victorian Puzzle Poem
PostPosted: 23 Mar 2017, 16:06 
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I think you could be right and what I saw as a fireplace is indeed a window! (But is it house or home though?)

I think I prefer finer to fancier partly because the "in" is included and partly because I'd be surprised if variations on fancy were used twice, although I still can't see where the twiddly bit comes in.


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 Post subject: Re: A Fifth Victorian Puzzle Poem
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Annied wrote:
I think you could be right and what I saw as a fireplace is indeed a window! (But is it house or home though?)

I think I prefer finer to fancier partly because the "in" is included and partly because I'd be surprised if variations on fancy were used twice, although I still can't see where the twiddly bit comes in.


What about 'I would not grander be ...'? [i.e. no t-grand]

I think the twiddly bit is just the way Gothic letters are written, like the fancy e e s in line 5, and the one in that letter just seems to have been written in the wrong way round

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 Post subject: Re: A Fifth Victorian Puzzle Poem
PostPosted: 23 Mar 2017, 20:49 
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I'm stumped! Nothing I can come up with really seems to fit the pics that are left. And I still can't work out what that long thin stick could be in line 8.


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 Post subject: Re: A Fifth Victorian Puzzle Poem
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That's still stumping me, too. I'm sure the horse's mouth is meant to signify 'bit' ... but none of the words I can think of for that stick seem to go with it - I can't even get anywhere with straw!

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 Post subject: Re: A Fifth Victorian Puzzle Poem
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And I wondered if the bit were maybe a snaffle or curb, but that's no better, either. I do wonder whether the three large Gothic es are meant to represent 'largesse', but it doesn't really scan.


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 Post subject: Re: A Fifth Victorian Puzzle Poem
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Contentment

1. With what I have, O let me be content;
2. My clothes, my food, are good enough for me.
3. My home is clean, I always pay my rent,
4. With something left for mirth and jollity
5. If false seem ................from the hearth and hall,
6. I know a thing ot two that beats them all.

7. I would not grander be than fits my lot,
8. And no one's lot will stand a switch/crop/whip bit more.
9. Pretence and hauteur form a tiresome clot
10. Which blocks the way to many a heart's true core.
11. Possessing little's better than a throne,
12. If we contented are no more to own


I gave up and looked up the answer. There were 23 that were word perfect and 8 of them were "perfect in form and every other respect", by which I imagine they mean capital letters and punctuation. I don't think we'd ever get there without help. It's too dark to get a good pic of it now, so here's a couple of clues.

Line 5 does have a variation on a theme of a later word. In addition, look at the area in front of the building rather than the building itself.

Think snooker for line 8!

Those Victorian girls were far too clever by half!


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 Post subject: Re: A Fifth Victorian Puzzle Poem
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Yards? And cue? I get the yards but not the cue.

Thanks for bringing us this new entertainment Annied, und viel Spass in Oberstdorf. We are off to Bavorov on Monday for three weeks.

I wonder if CS girls did these riddles?

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'cubit' I suppose - as in the biblical measurement...

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PostPosted: 24 Mar 2017, 15:11 
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Enjoy your trip Cestina. The poems featured in the magazine in the mid to late 1890s, so a bit before Chalet School times, although if there were any old annuals lying around in common rooms, who knows? I'm sure they would have been classed as approved reading!

This is what we finished with and the solution and Examiners' Report is now HERE . It was interesting to read that line 5 gave the Victorian solvers problems too.

How any of them managed to be word perfect, as well as perfect in form and every other respect beats me! I clearly have a lot to learn about Victorian punctuation.

Contentment

1. With what I have, O let me be content;
2. My clothes, my food, are good enough for me.
3. My home is clean, I always pay my rent,
4. With something left for mirth and jollity
5. If false seem ................from the hearth and hall,
6. I know a thing ot two that beats them all.

7. I would not grander be than fits my lot,
8. And no one's lot will stand a cubit more.
9. Pretence and hauteur form a tiresome clot
10. Which blocks the way to many a heart's true core.
11. Possessing little's better than a throne,
12. If we contented are no more to own


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